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Kings suspended Cousins indefinitely

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SRR21, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. RickyNewport

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    Cousins doesn't have consistent outside shooting range but he takes a lot of jumpshots and misses a lot of jumpshots. No true consistent back to the basket game and he's lazy on the defensive end and not good at protecting the rim. And also there are the obvious maturity problems.

    Maybe all he needs is a change of scenery. I don't know how he would fit on this team but if the Rockets trade for him I hope they don't give up much.
     
  2. roslolian

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    Greg Smith is BETTER than Cousins. Why are you even trying to argue this? This is backed by ACTUAL statistical data, all you really have in Cousins are great 2k ratings in Association mode. Every time he's been on the court Smith has done good things for the team, in fact if you extrapolate his number per 36 mins he'd average 18 pts and 10 rebs. Cousins on the other hand, keep shooting mid-range Js and got suspended indefinitely for misconduct. I mean, one's an asset, the other's a liability, isn't it obvious who's the better player right now?

    Cousins has more talent than Smith, and he might have more potential as well (hard for me to dismiss the potential of a 21 year old with giant hands shooting 60% from the field though). But he's also way riskier, which is why nobody is offering anything except junk deals for him right now. I hope we can pry him away at a bargain basement price. If he works out, he could become a key cog in a Love trade.
     
  3. DonatasFanboy

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    No, I haven't been arguing, all i did is write a sarcastic one-liner about the subject because i didn't think the topic was worth more than that. You are "extrapolating" 90 total field goal attempts and 90 rebounds into per-36 numbers and you choose to ignore obvious flaws in doing that. So hey, I'm going to extrapolate 237 of Kevin Love's field goal attempts this year and screw you all, Love is a horrible player. Don't tell me otherwise, because I'm using actual statistical data.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    Wow homerism at its finest on clutchfans today. Greg Smith vs Cousins.... Come on guys. I'm all about Smith and possibly one day he can be comparable to a top flight big man, but he's far from the potential franchise star player that Cousins could be and already puts up numbers like one.

    You can cherry pick stats to try and make Smith more efficient per 48 min, but what Cousins did last season at 22 years old was in the top class of NBA big men. Call me later when Smith can be one only 7 players in the NBA to average at least 17 points and 10 Rebounds a game for a full season.

    The main question here is do his stats help the team win? It's debatable all day long, but he puts up similar production to that of Pau Gasol with the Grizzlies. Also their games are very similar if you take a closer look. When Gasol joined a good team with a stable lockeroom with a respected coach, where he wasn't the lead dog look at what it did for Gasols career. If Cousins is available and we are only debating giving up Greg Smith.... It's a no brainer.
     
  5. Kojirou

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    And Tyreke Evans is super awesome because he's one of four rookie guards to average 20-5-5, amirite? Cousins needed almost 16 shots last year to get his 18 points. To put this in perspective, Smith needed 4 shots to get 7 points this season, and that offensive and defensive failure, Andrea Bargnani whose Raptors are on a roll now that he isn't playing, has pretty similar efficiency numbers this season. That is how bad Cousins has been. I'm sure if you made Greg Smith the offensive lynchpin of the Rockets and gave him shot after shot, he could get 17-10 as well.
     
  6. TheGM

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    Reinstated according to Woj.
     
  7. Rockets34Legend

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    Not a reliable source, but what the hell....it's TWITTA!

    Incarcerated Bob ‏@incarceratedbob

    **BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: Three teams have called the Sac Kings about availability of DeMarcus Cousins (Celtics top bidder) Nets & Spurs
     
  8. Garner

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    He just needs a little royal jelly. Bring him on in.
     
  9. BeeBeard

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    This hasn't gotten much notice yet.

    The Kings easily beat the Trailblazers last night without Cousins and Evans, two players rumored to be on the trading block.

    "Fans remarked on how fluid and unselfish their offense looked as Sacramento shot a blistering 45-61 (56%) from the field while notching a season-high 31 assists."

    lol

    Like any NBA basketball team, the Sacramento Kings are literally better when DeMarcus Cousins is not playing for them.
     
  10. smoove shoez

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    Nice.
     
  11. roslolian

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    The extrapolation was done to show ridiculous people are being with Cousin's "stats". Smith isn't getting more than 14 mins a game because he has to fight Asik for PT, and playing him more than that could cause his production to drop. However in Cousin's case while he puts up a ton of points, he does it by forcing up shot after shot. so while it's possible Smith's efficiency could become bad, Cousins' efficiency right now is already bad. Maybe if Smith became the focal point of the offense and started forcing every shot he'd score the same as Cousins.

    I dunno why Cousins supporters employ this false equivalency with Cousins, first you have someone saying Harden is as risky as Cousins, and now you're saying because Love shoots a horrible FG% then Cousins should be excused as well. WTF, is Cousins on the same level as Harden and Love? Has he proved himself or put up great production comparable to cousins and love? Last year Cousins put up 21 pts which had people salivating, but his FG% was an abysmal 49%. Love last year had 48%, and that's with him shooting 3s while cousins just keeps throwing mid-range Js, you know the worst shot in basketball.
     
  12. roslolian

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    I could definitely see Nets, Celts and Spurs going for him though. That's because Celts and Spurs desperately need Franchise talent and are willing to gamble on 90% bust rate prospects like us pre-Harden. Nets have a team full of vets, and with D-will as the alpha dog he could reach his potential.
     
  13. hooroo

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    Wesley Matthews didn't play for the Blazers. Claver a rookie started for the Blazers but he has struggled in D-League. The Blazers bench isn't NBA material. The Blazers led by around 10pt after the 1Q but their bench let the Kings get about 20pt unanswered points in the 2Q.

    To claim Cousins' absence as the reason for this result is Redick-ulous.
     
  14. DonatasFanboy

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    No, I'm saying that you are taking it 100 miles out of the ball park by using a super small sample size to declare Greg Smith better than Cousins or saying things like "every big in the league is better than Cousins".

    I'm not a "Cousins supporter" and you are not a rational Cousins critic. Typically, I'm the one criticizing Cousins. But when I opened this thread, I saw some incredible exaggerations and conclusions, so here we are.

    "playing him more than that could cause his production to drop". Well, hello. Or, waiting a year and getting a bigger sample size might be enough. Or having him create his own shot in the low post as the go to guy and the focus of the defense might do it.

    Re using a one game sample size to judge how the Kings offense looks without Cousins... Remind me, how did the Kings look in the other 3 games without Cousins this year? Were they also incredibly fluid and unselfish? Or did they get beat by 10+ points every time because they were the same directionless, iso-heavy mess that they typically are?
     
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  15. Pieman2005

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    You really think Cousins has a 90% to be a bust? Smh. You're embarrassing yourself
     
  16. jbasket

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    What happens when you extrapolate Greg Smith's foul numbers. Also, what would happen to Greg Smith's numbers if you put with a shoot-first pg such as Brooks? Ah, those high percentage alley-oops and layups people take for granted from Harden because he was double teamed or through Lin's court vision would disappear quite quickly.
     
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    I wonder if they were the same kind of fans that said the Rockets were better off without Ball stopping Harden because they played well against the Spurs and how much more fluid the offense looked without Harden.
     
  19. J.R.

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