LOL atw once again somehow spinning this topic into how Islam and the Quran are bad. Way to derail the thread. Master Trollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
If you really are a lawyer, you must be a horrible one. Probably why you have so much time to post on Islam in a forum and aren't doing real work?
I'm admitted to the bar in Germany and in New York. I was a Fulbright scholar. But I don't practice law anymore.
Why, because I think it is ridiculous for someone to blame a TV station for why they did something? That is no more ridiculous than blaming violence on video games, or the Tipper Gore arugment about explicit lyrics from the 1980s. The guy wanted to do it, so he did it. He is probably making this crap up to A. feel better a about himself and B. get attention... and congrats, you guys are buying it in your anti-Fox News circle-jerk. And no, I don't watch or support Fox news, that's not the point.
No, in the case this thread is about, the arsonist said he only knows what Fox (and talk radio) says about Muslims. In the case of Al Quaeda, they only know about the Koran what extremist organizations say about it. I would guess (based on the fact that the arsonist mentioned Jesus) that the Fox-educated hick was a Christian, but I would never use that as evidence of the general extremism of Christians. There are hundreds of millions of Christians who deplore such acts, and I would venture a guess that there may be a billion Muslims who similarly deplore terrorism of any kind. The problem with terrorists (I would say this arson episode qualifies) is the information source that convinces them that these acts are justified. Fox, like Islamic extremists, brainwashes their minions with half-truths and lies. The problem you have is equating Islamic extremists with Muslims in general.
Nope. The problem you have is that you twist things, much like Mr. van Driessen... aka FranchiseBlade. Islamist terrorists don't say "Islamic extremist XYZ inspired me to do this" - they say "The Quran inspired me to do this".
The problem with that is that nobody was talking about what the terrorists or FOX news claimed. What we were talking about is where the information goes wrong, and that's with FOX news and the terrorist organizations. You're initial complaint was supposed hypocrisy. So the problem is that if you complaining with posters here, then you need to go by what the posters actually post. You don't get to make the conditions for that even though you're trying.
Even the title of the thread is talking about what the criminal claims. Epic fail, once again, by FranchiseBlade.
I didn't twist a thing. There is, without a doubt, a minuscule percentage of Muslims who are extremists and willing to resort to terrorism. There are a billion Muslims for whom terrorism would be unthinkable. My comparison was far more apt than yours. In both this case and that of Islamic extremists, the liars are the heart of the problem. Fox lies about Muslims (among other things), Islamic extremists lie about the Koran, America, and a great many other things.
All the other news networks were covering the NRA mess today, and a news network that was obsessed with a birth certificate and other ridiculous things chose to ignore it for the most part. What I couldn't understand was the reason for playing a documentary about the revolution and Washington until ever 2 secs was a state militiaman firing a musket against the redcoats. Not so subtle?
Yes, and your comment wasn't about what the thread title said, or what the thread was about. Your comment was about the comments posters in the thread had made. It was your flawed comment that I was addressing. I'm sure by now you understand what's happening, and are trying your best to weasel out of the fact that you made a huge twist and leap in order to bring your crazy anti-Muslim agenda into something that has no real connection to it. You've exposed yourself, and your desperate attempt to wiggle out of it isn't helping.
I just love the "tolerant people" of this forum waiting for and then pouncing on their "gotcha" moment. You guys just can't wait to put yellow stars on the chests of people you disagree with. It is quite laughable. I've read no fewer than ten of these "you've exposed yourself" or "don't try to hide the fact that you are..." moments in the past day by you guys. It's like you guys follow a manifesto or something. The bottom line is this confessed criminal got far more attention on his crime because he said Fox News made him do it. He knows that you guys just simply can't pass up a good ol' Fox News Hating circle-jerk. And the same people in this thread saying Fox News played a part are probably the same ones saying the NRA is stupid for saying violence in video games is to blame. You're both r****ded.
Is that what you just love? LOL! Here's some of what I was responding to which which you didn't seem to have a problem with someone waiting to pounce on their supposed gotcha moment. So what we have here is you showing us your sad roll eyes at my response to all this stuff, and you said nothing at all for these. Apparently it only bothers you when one side does something. Remove the blinders.
This is a totally false equivalency and it's getting pretty tired. The stations are alike in that they are unabashedly biased and partisan. The stations are different in that MSNBC doesn't spread mistruths and falsehoods. And, on the occasion that they do, they apologize and correct the error immediately. OP embedded this link, but here is a study showing that Fox News viewers are less well informed than people that watch no news at all. Those darn facts! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...med-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html You're welcome.
And you're welcome again... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html
This. I think Fox plays fast and loose with incindiary rhetoric but I am very cautious about placing much of the blame of a the actions of a sick individual on them. I think once we go down the road of holding news / opinion / entertainment organizations responsible for things like this that is a slippery slope.
It isn't about blaming Fox directly for the man's actions. Obviously, the man was a nutcase who deserves all of the blame for the arson. However, the target of the arson was a mosque as a result of the lies told by Fox about Muslims. Fox doesn't deserve blame for the fact that the guy is a nutcase, but they, without a doubt, fanned the flames and helped to point the arsonist in the direction of Muslims. They purport to be a "news" organization, but have gone to court to defend their right to lie to their viewers. I am of the opinion that a "news" organization that knowingly lies should have the "news" removed from their name.
Correct. This was my whole point. Some guys here SELECTIVELY want to hold "the inspiration" responsible, but only if it fits their political leanings.
