The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

I think most here are calling for sensible regulation. Few are saying all guns should be banned but we definitely should consider the relatively easy availability of things like like high capacity magazines.

 

Not likely. A new wave of gun legislations will be pushed by Sen. D. Feinstein and company once the house reopens. The process of legislating is more about political horse trading than being democratic. One way another, there is a chance this fight will go to the Supreme Court since it involves a constitution issue, and a decision from the Supreme Court is certainly not made in a democratic process involving American people at large. The issue would be decided on constitutional principles, moral principles in the SCOTUS. The percentage divide you cited will have limited impact on the Justices' decisions.

 

The killer's mother who gave every impression of being a responsible gun owner. As I said I have sympathy for responsible gun owners but simple logic dictates that the more guns there are out there and the more people who own them means there is a greater chance of things going wrong, like forgetting to secure your guns from a psychopathic relative.

So basically you think that making stricter gun laws is a waste of time but decriminalizing drugs is realistic? I will say I agree in principle that several drugs should be decriminalized but what about things like PCP's? Do you think a drug that is known to cause extremely violent behavior is OK to decriminalize? As I noted I am glad that Portugal seems to be going well but Portugal isn't the same as the US.

You keep on falling back to the 2nd Amendment but as has been noted repeatedly that doesn't prevent the regulation and banning of arms. Stricter gun control laws that ban things like AR-15's and extended magazines are not inherently unconstitutional. They have been banned and could be again.

As far as making guns easier to make technically bombs are easier to make now but that hasn't stopped regulation on things like nitrogen fertilizer. So even while you might be able to make a barrel, carriage, firing pin, and other parts to make a pin then ammunition and the ingredients to make ammunition could be regulated. New technology could also make it easier to track, restrict and prevent the manufacture.

Yes you haven't changed your stance you have just become more extreme in how you argue it.

 

How I argue it isn't extreme, how you perceive it is extreme based upon your beliefs. Either way, I'm not losing sleep that anti-gun people are upset about my stance on guns.

That's the difference between many of the people chastising pro-gun members here. You think you are right so whatever their stance is, they are wrong. We like guns so we must be okay with kindergarten killers.

Meanwhile, we know that law is on our side and we use that as our reasoning and frankly that is all that matters. You can feel however you want about it, but that doesn't change the fact that currently I can own however many guns I want, in just about any configuration I want, and doing so doesn't make me crazy. It makes me an American exercising my rights.

 

And I am not losing sleep over your beliefs but this forum is called "Debate and Discuss."

Ok so you're not arguing extremely you just like to think that those of us who don't agree with you think everyone who likes guns is OK with kindergarden killers. No that's not an extreme argument at all.

As noted the law can change.

 

This many posts and people often dont state the obvious...these mass deaths that have resulted are directly caused by young troubled adults...imposing stricter access requirements are all fine and dandy, but when is society gonna address that kids these days...dont consider talking about things an option...shoot first talk later is a mentality that has plagued society...

I do agree that certain caliber weapons dont really have a place in today's society...and we can surely do better...we dont want copycats...we dont want young sick kids failing to get proper attention...time for our nation to have a healthy compromise from both sides in this matter...

 

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Penn Jillette is my man.

 

Damn, Penn thinks exactly like me and actually turned the sheep, I mean the crowd towards him... Great job. We need more voices in the media to stop the misplaced fear.

 

Apparently that "ex" CNBC anchor doesn't know that the Virginia Tech shooter used nothing but hand guns and killed over 30 people... but this guy would have just killed two if he had a hand gun? The older lady then saying it's a combination of Call of Duty and Asperger's? Both of these women are NEWS ANCHORS. These are the jackasses reporting this stuff to the masses. They have no comprehension or facts, they just spout off whatever they want and the masses eat it up.

 

These tragedies require every man and woman that have a child together, to understand that problems faced in today's society is a lack of the family unit...Parents lost children, a part of their lives...their family...not only the kids at Sandy Hook, but that young man who lost hope in life and found comfort in evil...

Its not about weapons and guns and etc...its really about why these young men/women turn to violence to address deep and real painful issues in life...they have no one to turn to. No one to listen to...especially in a family that is divided...

Its not just guns ...its all things in life that have been affected...The loss of family...has directly led to the rise in homicides, violence, drug use, etc....it is not by coincidence that these things have happened...

Americans everywhere have a responsibility to turn back to what made this country great...the family unit...and when we get back there...problems we are now faced with will not be impossible to deal with...

 

With all due respect, this is where you really show your ignorance. There are millions of moderate/progressive/liberal gun owners in America. You live in a fantasy world where this issue is all Left versus Right, conservative versus liberal, Republicans against the awful Democrats. You think that those who are not conservative Republican gun owners simply have to be "anti-gun" when it comes to this subject. And that is simply a crock of ****, buddy. Get out in the world and learn a few things. Plenty of liberals, progressives, and Democrats own and enjoy guns. They enjoy going to the range, going hunting, having one for home protection, collecting. No, not every person of that political ilk, but I know conservative Republicans who also wouldn't be caught dead owning a firearm.

Get a grip, dude.

 

I agree, very well said. Sadly we are a country where a child born out of wedlock is now the norm. This means a huge portion of men are raised without a father figure, which has huge impact on their psychology.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/fatherhood/chaptertwo.cfm

 

I've said SEVERAL TIMES that guns are a 50/50 issue in America, and the polls continue to show that. Of course there are going to be moderates, there are moderates in every facet of American life... however policies are not driven by moderates, they are driven by the polarized, moderates help sway it but they are not the driving force. That is the case again, throughout nearly every heated issue.

I never once said it was a Republican or Democratic issue, again you are choosing to put words in my mouth to better deliver your point.

EDIT - And I think you're the fourth person to call me ignorant and trying to portray that I said something I didn't simply because you don't agree with my views, and I'm the intolerant one

 

I'm telling the truth. You're trying to make a polarizing issue out of something that crosses party lines and political ideology. Keep living in your world where everything is black and white. The rest of us will keep trying to be color blind.

 

po·lar·ize (pl-rz)
v. po·lar·ized, po·lar·iz·ing, po·lar·iz·es
v.tr.
2. To cause to concentrate about two conflicting or contrasting positions.

If it is a 50/50 issue, where 50% of the country wants stronger gun control and 50% doesn't... that is the definition of polarizing my friend.

 

You are a beautiful example of self-polarization!

 

Yes, you have said that a few times, and, you are wrong. Polls now show a growing number of people supporting increased regulation on guns. Almost 6 in 10 support bans on automatic weapons (CNN poll). You are on the wrong side of history... again.

 

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Actually, history agrees with me.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Of course polls are going to be skewed after an event like this. They always normalize.

 

The bottom line is, this Adam guy was a killer/ a mass killer, the same with a serial killer.. It doesn't just happen out of the blue one day... Or the fact that he had access to this or that or he had asperger's or autism or his mother's divorce. No folks, this guy is a killer from the get go, the mind of a killer, get studying on that...