The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

I am really confused by you.

Selling magic beans will be you new hobby.

 

Sounds like you're the one that's butt hurt about the law. It's funny how in a week's time you've outed yourself as a racist, gun nut douchebag. Nice work.

 

A little social reposibility awareness from ROXRAN. A little lipsticks on the pigs, good idea.

 

I've said from day one that this is a mental health and societal issue. We glorify these killers which leads to copy cats. The CT shooter came just days after the mall shooter in Oregon, which backs this completely. I've also stated multiple times that I feel the vast majority of gun related deaths are the direct result of the failed war on drugs, which again crime statistics back. Attacks like the one in CT are due to failed mental health preparedness by society and the killer's mother who allowed him to have access to the weapons.

My solution for the 100th time - End the war on drugs by decriminalizing them. Instead of incarcerating drug users and abusers, seek treatment as Portugal has done successfully. Then use the tens of billions saved from the law enforcement costs ($15 billion per year) and the incarceration costs ($20 billion per year) to make mental health treatment and awareness an important aspect of American life. Also continue to investigate the adverse effects of our now drug store society, with a CVS on every corner.

I think outlawing guns or making the laws stricter is a waste of time. There are 300 million legal guns in circulation, and more than 80 million legal gun owners. They aren't going anywhere regardless of how bad you want them to. The 2nd Amendment is with us for better or worse. New technologies are also making it easier for people to make their own guns (CNC costs, 3D printing, etc), and that is something even anti-gun countries can't stop.

I've never changed my stance. I've never lead anyone to believe that stricter gun laws are the answer. Sorry if I've let you down, I'll try harder - I swear.

 

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I'm butt hurt? I still have all of the rights I had a week ago. What is there to be butt hurt about? I'm fit as a fiddle.

I'm a racist? Because I questioned the ridiculous comments made by RGIII? You've just proven my point from that thread, that a white guy can't even question race without automatically being labeled a racist. But I'm a racist? Okie-dokie buddy. News to me, but thanks.

I'm not a gun nut, I'm a gun owner. I don't think the government is out to get me, and I don't have a bunker and and I know that no new gun laws are coming that I have to worry about. The gun argument is a 50/50 issue in America, right down party lines and this is proven poll after poll.

I'm a Christian conservative on the internet, I'm used to being bombarded and lambasted. This is nothing.

 

Ok, I will say this I don't hate you and I think you are probably as decent as anybody, if not more, in real life. I think most of pro-gun-control folks will say this too.

But, look, there is a small sacrifice you need to make for the safty of our kids, schools ... For a starter, there is no need anybody to own an assault weapon like the one Adam Lanza used. That is not much of let go of your second amendment right. Can you make that sacrafice?

 

Your performance in both threads has been disgusting. The white, racist, Christian, conservative, gun nut is quite the rare combination there. Considering how tone deaf you are to reality I bet that's news to you too.

 

I personally don't believe that guns are the issue, that's the point. Even if I didn't own guns I would feel the same way. The only gun I owned until 2009 was a .22LR Marlin rifle I got when I was a kid and rarely shot, and my opinions didn't miraculously change once I bought a gun and instantly became a gun nut.

That's America, you believe what you think is the answer to the issue and I believe what I think is the issue... and our democratic process settles the score. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions about guns because people don't flip-flop on issues like guns.

That's the difference, most gun owners aren't trying to change other people's minds and they're the ones that get labeled as right-wing whack jobs just because they like and own guns. They have their stance, you have yours. Just leave it at that.

Don't want guns? Support anti-gun groups and politicians. Make calls, picket, petition the courts, etc. Gun rights activists have the same rights to do so in the other direction, and to date the Supreme Court has sided with them. Until that changes, all this back and forth is just silly.

 

You got me, now if you'll excuse me I need to run to the cleaners and pick up my robe and hood.

 

Then why are you still arguing?

 

I was responding to YallMean's post, which I feel warranted a response. But thanks for checking in.

 

You can post all the stupid pictures and videos you want. It won't make you any less a moron. Have you abandoned your whole there are more drownings than gun deaths argument? Or do you want to talk more about how minority pride causes racism? As a white guy just talking of course.

 

Yeah, but we are discussing right and wrong. Argument like this just cuts any discssion on anything.

 

Never said there were more drownings than gun deaths, nor did I say that minority pride caused racism, I actually asked if it did. It's what we call a question. You may want to get back and school and study your reading and comprehension skills.

But it's your story sister, tell it like you want it.

 

Right and wrong is completely subjective in this case. You think right is to remove all guns so no one will ever be shot. I think right is to keep the freedoms given to us by our founding fathers and maintained and defended by our people.

 

You don't agree with that? Freedom to bear arms trumps that? Sounds like you believe NRA were the founding fathers.

 

I don't want people to get shot, but I know outlawing guns won't top criminals form having guns. Look at Chicago and Washington, DC.

If I could be guaranteed that no one would ever get shot or killed by a gun if guns were outlawed, then by all means take them. But we both know that isn't the case or is it anywhere near the case. I strongly feel that the statistics show if the war on drugs ended, that gun deaths would decrease exponentially faster than if guns were outlawed. Without demand, there is no market. Without market, there is no crime. Does this stop attacks like the ones in CT? No, but the funds used from the war on drugs may have made an impact if mental health was important in this country.

 

Ok, I think you are wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion certainly. Lets leave at that.

 

Agreed. I hope everyone who is anti-gun gets involved and voices their opinions to their lawmakers, and those that are pro-gun do as well. Our democratic process will decide where we go from here, and I would rather for more people to get involved in our country's direction than not, even if that means the direction we take isn't necessarily what I want.

 

This.