The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

Once again, please use some care before you make a conclusion like that. As it stands, a sizable portion (if not flat out majority) of Americans don't want to pay their taxes, don't want speed laws, don't like abortion laws, on and on, and yet there are clear lines on each of those issues. I will leave it to you as an exercise to figure out why you were wrong in saying that.

 

Only if you did not care to read previous 30 some pages of this thread.

 

This country has some of the highest crime rates in the world, mainly because of the civil liberties that we enjoy. In police states crime rates including acts of violence can be controlled by acts of violence against the defenseless population. My point is that a person or persons determined to commit a destructive act will not be stopped by gun control. Sane, law abiding people can be limited by gun control, but not crazy ones. Turn off MSNBC and just back away.

 

Repped. The largest mass murder in US history was carried out by "box cutters", not guns. Gun control will not stop those determined to carry out evil. The best chance at preventing this tragedy was identifying this kid's mental illness and getting treatment for him. It's so easy to advance an agenda through a tragedy like this, but are we really addressing the underlying issues?

 

Countries with stricter gun control laws than the US are safter because they have saner people than crazy Americans.

Pre-gun era of human societies didn't have public mass killings commited by guns because those were more orderly law-abiding societies than the crazy one today.

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Yes I was an enforcement officer under the U. S. Department of Justice, you will have to guess the rest.

MSNBC is on this kick that the Framers were talking about Muskets not military style weapons. Muskets were military style weapons during that period, and the Framers wanted citizens to have equal force. The U.S. military has already reversed that principle. Citizens (such as gang members during Katrina) proved no match for U.S. soldiers. I have friends with eyewitness reports.

 

Are you referring to 9/11?

You guys never cease to suprise me about your level of intelligience. Brilliant.

 

What does this have to do anything in this debate??? Obviously you know better than the Judge Rim showed you.

 

I asked him, he responded.

 

The difference is those laws are ALREADY in place. Once a law is in place it is extremely difficult to overthrow because you have to get it on a ballot, and then you have to get a majority of the people to come out and vote.

Also, outlawing something that people are already accustomed to and have rights for adds further complexity to the issue (see prohibition). Add on to the fact that the 47% of Americans who do own guns own more than 300 million of them, which means that on average the approximately 80 million adults with guns own nearly four guns apiece.

Buy back programs would cost more than 100 billion dollars at an average of $400 per gun, and then you'd have to have people actually bring their guns in... which simply wouldn't happen by the masses. Outlawing guns would actually increase the value of the guns, making the buy back program even less desirable.

 

Even our weak current system has stopped thousands and thousands of people from obtaining firearms- you don't need to be a law enforcement professional to figure out that less guns = less gin violence, you just need to understand arithmetic and not have your head buried the sand ignoring the mountain of evidence that shows that making access to guns more difficult almost always works.

 

Why not form the correlation of gun violence and drugs? Statistics clearly show that most gun violence is due to the drug trade (and subsequently illegal firearms), so rid ourselves of the drug trade would greatly decrease gun violence.

 

Because you can't murder kindergartners with a joint.

 

Are you describing a legislation process that I am not aware of? Since when Federal laws are enacted and repealed this way? In a referendum style? But I will give you this - yes to veto 2nd amendment, a process like that will be required. But we are not talking about vetoing second amendment, aren't we?

Well, that's a sacrifice you all will have to make. Too bad, so sad.

Details of enforcement can be worked out. Don't you worry, my friend. If the dam is broken, you just have to fix it no matter what.

 

Honestly, we should ban guns and put a police officer on every street corner to protect people. If that isn't feasible, we can just put cameras everywhere and prosecute any offenders. We need more police, and the police need more power to protect us. I fear for my safety.

 

I am at war with the damn gin violence as well. Oh, man, that breath of gin, worse than Taliban.

 

Well, he first threw it out there like a true authority on the topic.

 

More people die from drugs than guns buddy. Then the war on drugs claims 10,000 lives a year in Mexico and thousands more every year in the United States due to drug related homicides. This includes innocent men, women and children.

 

The police need more power? Oh, you mean like more than putting their fingers in our body cavities on the side of the road?

Or the cops that do paramilitary raids on people's houses due to "tips" that they may have mar1juana, then they kill the owner's caged dog as the family watches on in horror?

Or cops that threaten to arrest you for recording them, even though that right has been challenged to the Supreme Court and then protected by the 1st amendment?

Or how cops can wiretap you or access your wireless telephone and text records without any real probable cause?

I appreciate the things they do, but a big brother state with cameras on every corner is not the answer... and you see thousands of cases every year of cops abusing their power, they don't need a longer leash.

 

You can make gin in your bathtub.

As a kid i said "**** your stupid alcohol age limits and laws" and just made gin in my bathtub. This is actually what most people do to circumvent gin control laws.