Let me preface this by saying I have always been somewhat skeptical of Hollinger's lovely PER stat. I think a good example of this would be a guy like Parsons. Here are his stats for the season. 15 PPG 6.5 RPG Shooting 45% from the field. 3 point shot 36%, 2 point shot 52% 3rd on the team in Free throw attempts at 2.6 Yet his PER is 14 ? There are a on of inferior players with inferior stats who have a much higher PER than Parsons. I don't want to list them all but you can easily look it up. How can someones PER be so low when all the other stats would indicate that he is doing very well?
Doesn't per also compare you to all other players in the league (hence the avg PER is 15)? Maybe that is why; he is a slightly below average player by those calculations. Or Intangibles, if that helps you out any :grin:
This is minutes based.... Greg Smith has a higher PER because he plays less minutes and is more efficient offensively in those minutes Parsons is close to 15 which is average Very good for a player who has played 80 what games
If he scores around 20 and gets 7 boards and 5 assists, shooting 41 from three he'll go up close to 20 guaranteed
Basketball-reference has him at 14.8, which is right about "average". There are few reasons why it might seem low: 1) He doesn't get to the line. So his conventional shooting numbers look okay, but his TS% .555, which is not bad but not great either. 2) His rebounding is not great. His rebounding percentage is just under 10%, which is average (obviously, since there are ten players on the court), but considering that he's a 6'9" forward, it's probably a little below average. Most of his rebounds are defensive (15.8% to 3.6%), and PER rewards offensive rebounds more. 3) He doesn't use a whole lot of possessions. His usage% is at 18%, which again is slightly below average. This all adds up to him being a very average player at least on the offensive end, which is mostly what PER measures. Add his good defense, I'd say he's an above average player, which is not bad for a 2nd rounder.
Lets just talk in laymans terms....... If my Small Forward is averaging 6.5 rebounds per game, that is above average. In fact that is pretty damn good. If my small forward is averaging 36% from 3 point range that is clearly above average considering the position. 52% from 2 point range for a perimeter player is clearly above average and in my opinion outstanding. 15 PPG is clearly above average. 2.0 assist to turnover ratio, which is very good for a SF. All of this indicates that he is an above average player not to mention he is probably our best perimeter defender. He shoots at an efficient clip. He rebounds the basketball. He defends. Is he a great player? NO. But he is clearly above average......
By "laymans terms" you mean "misleading stats"? Chandler has nice per game numbers because he plays a lot of minutes. When he plays he's plays very average on the offensive side and is a plus defender. I think overall he's an above average player and in today's NBA, every good team needs a "3 and D" player like Chandler so we're lucky to have him, especially considering he was picked in the 2nd round.
First of all, PER is a per min base analysis, while 15 PPG and 6.5 RPG are per game stats. PER isn't an accurate predictor for defensive play, and intangible.
Why there only one video of Parsons teabagging? Seriously, I could throw PER out the window if I still got those tip-slams from him.
In layman's terms, Yao was a borderline star at best in 08-09. I mean, 19/10? What is he, a poor man's Kevin Love? But Yao played in one of the slowest paced system in the NBA, with less opportunities to score, rebound, and block than any other team. He also scored at a very high rate. And the Rockets won games, lots of games, with Yao, a chucking Artest, quitting T-Mac, and a bunch of kids and role players. By PER that year, he was ranked #11 in the NBA. #10 in win shares, a similar score in non-layman's terms. This despite not even making top-20 in scoring with his pedestrian 19/10 raw stat. On the flip side, we've seen years of players on GSW and Suns teams that put up huge raw numbers, and fail to match those stats when signed with other teams. Guess what? The Rockets currently run at the Warriors/Suns pace of old. And our player stats are inflated. It's simply the truth.
He played heavy minutes, which inflates his per game stats and drags down his PER. His defense has regressed, and so is Asik(like Morey mentioned in his recent interview). Harden's defense is also below average. However, that's part of the cost playing heavy minutes and carrying the load on offense. Hopefully they can continue to improve and perform better on both ends of the floor. Or maybe the coach can rotate players better. It's a long season, and you don't want to injure your key players.
So in essence you throw out all the stats I have given and would rather use PER. Interesting what your interpretation of "misleading" is.... Lets throw out PPG, RPG, APG, FG% because these are misleading stats. PER is the only way to truly evaluate a player in terms of stats? GET REAL.
He has better stats than Battier, and more upside. Sure, Parsons is a role player but he can be better than Shane in time.
