I'm confused to where everyone is standing on Gun Control. Quick poll.

High capacity magazines made a massacre much easier


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

 

High capacity magazines are the only problem I have with owning an "assault rifle" or any handgun.

It serves ZERO purpose to carry 20+ rounds in a hunting or sporting weapon. It's made for one thing one: efficient killing.

 

It's a slippery slope. First you ban high capacity magazines, then you ban all magazines, then you ban the national review, then you ban all print magazines, then newspapers, and then the first amendment and the second amendment are dead and gone.

 

Why not build 4 or 5 large public schools in each major cities like we do with airports?? Are we willing to spend money on this?? How about transportation, I don't think that would be a problem, the transit/bus-line/train can all work together on that... We're gonna have to build even more roads and highways so that parents who drop their kids off if by choice don't get stuck in traffic for like gazillion hours...
How many schools and how many police stations do we have in each city/county now??

 

I tend to agree. Similarly, forming a government is a slippery slope towards tyranny. First you pass laws. Then you pass more laws. Then you lose all your rights. So I think the only proper solution is anarchy.

Also, birth is a slippery slope towards then. First you get born, then you grow up, then you grow old, and then you die. To avoid this horrific ending, abortions for all might be the only proper solution.

 

Fixed.

 

I'm not familiar with the OP, but the guy was being sarcastic, right?

 

I think the slippery slope started when people started using the term "slippery slope" instead of the term "domino theory". I was very comfortable with domino theory because, after all, it was a theory, which made it more scientific. John Lott couldn't post his studies back then, since they required science.

After switching to the term slippery slope it was all downhill after that...

 

To be honest, I have no idea. I don't agree with it, but there are plenty of people who actually do believe the slippery slope nonsense on this issue. If I missed the sarcasm, my bad!

 

Ft. Hood.

 

Gabby Giffords' shooting in Tuscon. In fact there was someone there with a CHL who was armed. He didn't take down the shooter.

Stockton, CA Cleveland Elementary school shooting 1989, 5 school children killed, 29 wounded. Occurred prior to the 1995 CA law establishing gun free zones.

San Ysidro, CA McDonald's Massacre 1984, 21 people killed, 19 wounded. Occurred prior to the 1995 CA Law.

Also "gun free zones" are not absolutely gun free as security and police are still armed at Columbine there was an armed deputy on school grounds who actually exchanged gunfire with Eric Harris. At Virginia Tech the campus police are armed. In the Fort Hood shooting there was armed personnel who also exchanged gun fire with Hasan who was eventually shot by base personnel.

 

As far as the original question. I am on record for saying I would like to see high capacity magazines banned. I also think semiautomatic rifles should be banned. I will admit I haven't made up my mind regarding semiauto pistols. I would also like to see the gun show loophole closed making it mandatory that sales at gun shows have background checks. Also that mental health issues should be mandatory in background checks, not voluntary as the current regulation. Finally I think all guns should be registered in a federal database.

 

I agree with the gun-nuts that the mass shootings and the assault rifles are red herrings. They grab the attention, but we get a lot more needless deaths from regular old murders and handguns. So, I'm not interested in half-measures like assault rifle bans or gun-free zones that won't actually change the statistics. Ban all of them or do nothing. Since the first option will never happen, just do nothing. Accept that 25,000 guns deaths per year really is the price we're willing to pay.

 

Just a complete ban on any guns.

Except for the cops , security guards and army. They can carry guns but every gun fire should be reported and investigated.

Any incident related with guns should be treated seriously.

 

The classes to become security guards would need a MAJOR overhaul.
I took the class when I was unemployed once . . . it was underwhelming
and I don't think it trains your well enough to get gun privleges

Rocket River

 

It would be interesting to see exactly what will be presented. I'm all for additional weight times and/or screenings. Of course, the problem that comes with that is the potential for a overly inefficient bureaucratic system that.

A classification of the types of weapons would make sense, like a 1-5 scale. If it's a 1, e.g. .22 pistol, then you have one set of hoops to go through that is fairly simple. If it's a 5, e.g. a semiautomatic, high caliber, assault weapon style with the capability of having a large ammo capacity, then you would be forced to go through a very stringent review/approval process.

 

So what about the existing guns already out there?
Would that ban also include stoppage of recreational hunting and shooting?

 

The problem is we're not willing to pay it (gun nuts may be but it appears taht the majority of americans have decided that 20 dead first graders is enough, if polling is any guide), and the price is far higher than that - but anyway your suggestion that there's only a binary choice between total ban or doing nothing is misplaced and basically the same gun-nut response that is given to avoid doing anything at all.

There's many many other things that can be done that are proven to reduce the supply of guns, the ease of obtaining guns, and thus gun violence, I'm not going to bother listing the examples as they've been listed in the multiple htreads here over the past few days but suffice it to say there is a middle ground because it's what other countries use effectively to combat mass shootings and gun violence.

 

Luby's Massacre - 1991 in Killeen (near Ft Hood). 50 people shot, 23 killed. Led to the shall-issue law.

 

Obviously didn't read the original quote. He mentions this as the exception.

Wrong

The McDonald's was a gun free zone

Luby's was a gun free zone.....

gun free zone

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