The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

The amount of non-sequiturs here is truly amazing.

 

It's so full of stuff that appears to be sarcastic but probably isn't that it makes my head hurt.

 

Thomas Sowell

 

sure is.

 

There don't need to be any analogies because the irrefutable fact is that when you decrease the amoutn of guns, you decrease the amount of gun violence...full stop.

How about NY? We have one of the lowest rates of firearm ownership, the strictest legal regiimes - and one of the lowest rates of gun violence per person in the nation.

The UK analogy is a great analogy, because it proves the basic proposition that the less guns you have, the less gun violence you have. Full stop.
And yes, we doo have the $$$...state and local police departments do them all the time with minimal funding. 200$ a firearm has proven fabulously successful.

The federal government can throw tens of billions at the problem with no trouble whatsoever....in theory at $200 you could repurchase every firearm in the US at $200 for around 60 billion dollars, that's less than the cost of one single F-22 fighter plane.

 

The decreasing murder rate statistic in the US is misleading because all it does is reflect improving medicine and life-saving rates at ERs. The actual rate of gun crimes is actually increasing significantly year on year.

 

and? sky is blue. If you did away with alcohol we'd also have less deaths right? all over the board actually.. probably more lives saved than if we banned guns outright.

Well someone needs to tell Bloomberg it didn't appear he got the memo that it's safe in NY now, so no need to waste taxpayers $$$ on armed guard detail.

$200 for each firearm? yeah. good luck with that one.

 

gun violence has doubled in UK since the gun ban, full stop

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

 

You can be sure if there was a sudden epidemic of alcohol deaths at grammar schools there would be more attention paid to alcohol abuse in the United States. But the 20 kids killed in CT weren't killed by alcohol, but by an assault weapon.

You do know that since 1992 there have been 386 school shootings in the US? That children ages 5-14 in America are THIRTEEN TIMES more likely to be murdered with guns as children in other industrialized countries?

 

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world with 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009 compared to the United States' 3.0 (over 40 times higher) and to Germany's 0.21 (3 times higher). Full stop.

 

Why do you think gun control ( frankly i am going for a total ban, but we will get there in incremental steps) is not a real issue? A kid like Lanza would not have had guns had there not been guns around him so accessibly. There would have been a chance to discover his criminal intent or his mental condition might subside had he had to gone to length to find guns. Stricter gun control is a solution, while not the solution. No one is saying the guns are the only problem. It is A problem. Don't fix it, is that what you are saying because there are other problems associated with the causes of this tragedy?

How about cook county? Were there mass shooting because of the gun control measures there. You are pulling a lot of irrelevant stuff for your argument. You, intentionally or not, confound the issues of existing guns (a retrospective problem due to loose gun control) with those of easy gun accessing under the current regulation ( a prospective problem). Your statement of problem is wrong, your assessment is wrong, and your facts to support your conclusion is wrong.

Good - uk. Its going to take a while to weed out all the guns there. It is a bigger problem and it is going to take wisdom. But it has to, and will star at some point, for example, banning gun ownership on the letter and gradual enforcement throughout next 10 to 20 years. If this is your concern, rest assured we will get there.

 

That was the case long before the gun ban......

You are being dishonest.

 

Sure, except there's no rational connection between the two problems and discussing one doesn't mean you need to discuss the other - this is just jingling keys. THis thread is about guns and gun violence, specifically guns made for killing people. If you can reduce it, you should.

Pointless nonsequitur

That's been the going rate across the country at gun buybacks. Where is your evidence as to what the rate should be?

Oh wait, you have none. Why are you even opining on it? All you are doing is proving yourself wrong.

 

Rifles account for less than 4% of gun related homicides, the many of those are the hunting rifles like you want - bolt action. Meanwhile, the "assault rifles" account for well less than 2%.

This witch hunt on "assault rifles" is laughably misguided. More than 70% of gun related homicides are due to hand guns, and you guys are focusing on the weapons that account for less than 2%.

 

Nuclear bombs have killed less than 1% of all victims of wars in the 20th century - a witchhunt against nuclear weapons is laughably misguided - this argument isn't a winner for you either. But thank you for helpfully pointing out that it's not just assault rifles that need to be more tightly regulated.

 

I'm just pointing out that the majority of the people who want assault rifles banned are hurting their cause, because they are clearly ill informed.

 

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

 

Not really - as assault rifles should be banned regardless of whether or not it's responsible for a proportion of gun violence. Military weapons for killling people, whether they're deemed assault rifles or machine guns or semiautomatics, have no place for hunting and other recreational shooting and shouldn't be available to civilians - they need to be taken out of circulation, like nuclear bombs.

 

Statistics; filthy lies done in the right way. You're being dishonest by not citing, say, Australia and Scotland in turn.

Scotland---

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...tland-finland-changed-gun-laws-after-shooting

Oh yeah, mass killings in the UK? Down 50% since the gun ban (of course that is selective playing with stats, but you seem to be playing that game to no avail).

 

Again, you are showing that you are ill informed. The military does not use semi-automatic rifles with the exception of some sniper rifles. Military assault rifles have semi-automatic and automatic firing modes. A rifle that has semi-automatic mode only is a consumer weapon by design and marketing.