Why Are Minorities "Proud" of their Heritage and does that Pride Cause Problems?

So based on your own statistics white immigrants are outperforming both black immigrants and natives. I find that pretty telling in a discussion about race.

 

This thread was decent until that one jackass of a poster (who nobody respects) had to, once again, emphasize his beliefs that minorities are freeloaders and lazy. Dude must be miserable and alone. Nobody wants to be around a man that is a slave (since he loves this word) to his own ignorance.

 

Is that me?

And not most minorities.

Freeloaders and lazy, yes. But that's not the cause, but rather an effect (IMO).

So... back to heritage, pride and does that cause problems.

As kids, it's pretty hard to be studious and doing well in school. You get called names(nerd, geek), get picked on, bullied on, etc...

As a black kid, it's much more so. They do well in school(same as other ethnic kids) until a certain age, when they start to hang around their friends. If you are a black kid and do well in school and speak proper English, it's the black kids that are the toughest on you. You become an Oreo. Black on the outside, white on the inside. Too many kids give in to the peer pressure and the rest of their life is an uphill battle.

As an adult, if you do well, speak proper English and promote education, hard work, self sufficiency, you are called, Uncle Tom and cornball brother, not one of us, etc..., even when you become a Supreme Court Justice, a CEO, top Lawyers and Doctors, etc...

 

There is an element of truth to this.....but you are reaching a bit.

 

Definitely not you. LittleMindTexxx is the thing I was referring to.

 

This is a well known behavior. In the huge majority of cases involving idiotic mechanical work, if work doesn't clearly lead to reward then you will lose motivation. If you work and it leads to reward you will be motivated. If you see that it will require more work from you to achieve the same amount of reward someone else gets then you will lose at least some motivation - this is of course aside from the few anecdotal incidents of certain personalities who are more (rather than less) motivated by this formula.

So it's all fine and dandy to say "pull your sleeves up and work hard to make the best of your opportunities". That's fine. Whether people do that or not is nobody's business. What is everyone's business is whether everyone has the same start/finish line and, if not, then how do we get it there. When we have the same start/finish line, then we can define laziness and make conscious assessments of people's performance. Till then, you're not going to convince anyone that Paris Hilton works harder than the guy at Domino's, and even if true you are still not going to convince anyone that it has anything to do with laziness, race, upbringing or whatever.

 

But it's not true.

 

I hate people that go into how their culture of heritage is so great and that they must showcase it. I'm asian (South East variety) and find my self sampling some cuisines from time to time and nothing great about tradition from that region. I'm a modernist, and look for foods, behaviors, and technologies that can propel me to becoming the best.. **** the rest...

 

Depends on how you define it. I would suggest it was once alive but is dying, partly due to constant escalation of expectations, partly due to abandonment of past priorities.

 

What is the American Dream though?

I assumed it was a wife, 2 kids, a home and a car. Half of America is there, even if the bank owns more of the home than they do, and possibly the ex-wife takes the rest.

There are people who run up substantial debts in the tens of thousands because they spend like they only live once and never told themselves no before. Some are even professionals who earn 70k+, yet live paycheck to paycheck. If they consolidated everything and started living a cheaper lifestyle with cheaper rent, there'd be enough at the end of that sacrifice to put a downpayment on a house. Rent it out another couple of years, and one could conceivably pay off most of that house.

It's more than possible, but we get caught up in appearances and "usedtas". I'm usedta this so I'm not budging because "that makes me me". Except the way many healthy working age Americans live right now is on an unsustainable path. You can even do seemingly right things like buying a house and a long term mortgage and still feel like you're drowning in debt. Marriage and/or health troubles add onto that risk. Why does this happen? Because timing and sacrifice make the hugest difference, and the idea of living in something equivalent to a shack for a couple of years seems to be out of the question when you can live in a place far better than what you think your status is from what you make.

This isn't the land of milk and honey like the "way it was". The rest of the world is catching up, so the boners people make when they're younger is harder to shrug off and still make it. It's still a fantastic country with a lot of opportunity though. The Dream is still alive, but hella corrupted by thoughts of easy money and status.

Try harder, think smarter, and know what you really want.

 

I find the whole notion of being "proud" of one's race silly, regardless of whether we are talking about minorities or non-minorities.

Your race is what you are born with, not an achievement, so how can you be "proud" of it?

 

Fair point. It could be that you're stuck with it, so you choose to embrace your heritage. You can't change it, so you own your heritage, prop it up and are ultimately proud of it. I wouldn't say this is exclusive to minorities.

 

When people stop tearing down people because of their race, people will stop looking to their race for moments of pride.

 

I wonder how many "N!@@@s" per minute did QT fit into the movie
He loves a high volume of "N!@@@s"
I think there are Klans men out there that blush and say "D*MN QT, SIMMADOWNNAH!!"


QT LOVE THAT WORD N!@@@!!!

*chuckle*
I probably won't watch the film . . unless it is on bootleg or at the library
I am not Tyler's biggest fan but I would be interested to know what has his dander up

Rocket River

 

Since the discussion has been way sidetracked, I think this is the right answer. When you're reminded at an early age that you are a minority of *insert color*, you might as well accept that. When you're marked as being different, it is far easier to belong with others in your "race/clique/clan" than to be in no man's land. Is that defined as pride?

I would argue that overt racism perpetuates this defensive mechanism to belong to what is the perceived grouping. When someone you believe is in that same group differs from what society has deemed the norm, you begin to question that person rather than question why is that a problem to begin with.

I don't believe there will ever be a solution to this type of behavior.

 

Hmm.

Don't the people who tear down others because of their race...look to their own race for moments of pride? I mean...the KKK idiots or people like that - they are basically losers/morons who often don't have much to be proud of...so they look to their race for that.

I don't think the cause/effect relationship you paint above is completely accurate.

Personally, I grew up looking different from everyone else where I lived. I wasn't really aware of it myself until other little children started calling me "Chinese". I didn't even know what they were talking about, but thought it might be a good reason to beat them up as it seemed like they were mocking me or something :grin:.

But I haven't really experienced any overt racism or anything that I know of. Bit different for my mother, who was sometimes treated badly by some idiots.

But I still think that race isn't something to be proud of, either way.

I understand NotInMyHouse's reasoning, though. I think that makes sense.

 

some use it that way

others use it as a crutch and a way to demand things from others