[BREAKING] School Shooting in Conn. at Elementary School

Him being off at college wouldn't really reflect negatively on her though, if that's what you meant.

It just sounds like she didn't take his troubles seriously enough. You shouldn't be handing guns to a troubled child, even if it's to teach them something.

Obviously she knew he was a danger to himself and probably others. The guy was still very smart. This could all be the reslt of one slip up, like her not putting the guns away, but even if she never slipped up, this guy was smart enough to figure out how to get to them. Perhaps she needed some lessons on responsibility herself.

 

According to some statistic I heard from several law enforcement and mental health workers on NPR today: one in four American households is dealing with someone directly who suffers from serious mental illness. That doesn't mean 1 in 4, but it means about 50 million + Americans have to confront the issue as a regular part of their family life.

I hear what you keep saying about discipline, and I have seen some terrible examples, but mass killers are not the ones who needed more discipline, IMHO. I agree with those who say back-talk is one thing, and a kid who pulls a knife on his mom, etc, etc, is a whole different ball of wax.

And before you label with me with a strawman idea, I am not a "just medicate 'em" person or anything like that.

I just like looking at data, and there are patterns for dangerous people. We could learn more as a country, and like imadrummer2k said, we will never stop every incident, but what if we just stop every fifth one, every fourth one? Would still save a lot of grief.

 

25% of American Households has someone that has a mental health issue?
That doesn't seem a little high to you?

Considering the average house hold is from 2.5 ~4

That would mean almost a full 12.5 Percent of Americans have a mental health issue.

That seems high to me. . .

Rocket River

 

1 in 4 suffer from a diagnosable condition which include something like depression or panic attacks. Those are not necessarily severe, nor do they necessarily need medication.

About 1 in 17 have severe mental illness.

 

A young teacher had all her students into the restroom, hid them in the stalls while she locked the door and used her body as a shield in case the gunman tried to go in.

How can someone look at innocent children and carry out what they're doing. Horrible and senseless crime. It was just senseless. A crime carried out by an evil person that had no regards for innocent victims, especially children. I hope he will burn in hell for eternity.

 

i watched the medical examiner's report saturday, he said that the victims had wounds that ranged from 3-11 each, yeah very sad indeed

 

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At the time of the shooting, was there any patrol officer on school grounds??? Every elementary school that I've come across in Houston, I always see 1 or 2 patrol officer on duty...

 

Doubtful.

I have never heard of any school below 5th grade having an armed security guard on site. Even temporarily or part-time.

 

Really?

And how do you explain that Seung-Hui Cho the V-Tech shooter family raised him strictly and didn't spare the rod? How do you explain the rash of attacks on school children in rural China where child rearing is anything but permissive?

 

With a semiautomatic rifle with an extended magazine.

This is my point these type of weapons make killing many people that much easier. Does anyone here think that in the approx. 10 minutest that Lanza was carrying out this type of attack he would've been able to fire off so many rounds if he was limited to a gun he either had to reload every 6 shots, pump between each shot or pull back the bolt on each shot?

 

Dunno alot about either of them.
It but Proper discipline and child rearing is more than just spanking them

If I were to look deepering into those I am sure we could find the deficiencies
that lead to the actions.

Are you saying . . . all those folx are just crazy . . .severely mentally ill?

Rocket River

 

So now you are changing your tune that it isn't about spanking?

Cho was severely mentally ill. I don't have much information about the incidents in China but what little there is says that these people were mentally ill.

One thing that is for certain not spanking them had nothing to do with why they carried out these horrific attacks.

 

While having an officer on scene might've helped it might not have prevented the massacre. There was an officer assigned to Columnbine who even exchanged gunfire with the Eric Harris but that didn't dissuade them.

 

This is an obvious question/issue no one wants to seem to address.

 

Never said it was ALL ABOUT SPANKING
Please Point out where I did . . . .

So . . you have little evidence but . . .you jump right to Mental Illness?

When in doubt . . .. blame mental illness?

Rocket River

 

Good Morning America is always on every morning when I get ready for work. They were showing a couple of victims pictures that were laid to rest yesterday. Jack Pinto (HUGE Giants fan) and Noah Pozner. Super difficult not to cry. I don't have any children of my own but do have a niece by marriage who is 6. Incredibly sad.

Thanks! I was wanting to donate $$ but wasn't sure where to donate to.

I saw this yesterday. I wasn't sure if it was legit. The pics did get to me. She was so amazingly beautiful.

https://www.facebook.com/EmilieParkerFund/info

 

I don't really know all the detail of how many bullets he dumped away into each kid and I don't really want to honestly. However, in general terms of being able to fire a lot of bullets in a small period, what makes you think that he wouldn't have just used more low capacity magazine?. Or he could have easily used a pistol with 15 rounds and changed magazines multiple times, each reload would only take a second or 2.

Point being, I don't think the time taken to swap out a magazine is material in any real way, at least in this case.

 

You're talking about a 20 year old kid, not a Navy Seal.

Give me as many moments between gunshots as you can, please.

 

Don't be so dramatic. It's not hard to change out a magazine. You don't have to be a professional to do it quickly. Push a button, it comes out, you put a new one in.

I am just pointing out the specifics of this case, not a complete argument for or against an extended magazine as a whole.