[BREAKING] School Shooting in Conn. at Elementary School

Sooooo . . . in order for mental health to NOT be a problem
we should accept what the mental health field professionals say
without question?

Rocket River

 

You point me to one person in this thread that said "It's not their fault..."

You are the only one going to an extreme and you are creating these other extremes in your own mind to attack the other side.

It is their fault. No one is excusing the Lanza kid. What we are saying is there may be things we can do to prevent it in the future. Your answer to that is to spank kids more. And then you say we are extreme. LOL

 

No, we should accept what the non-mental health professional who can't spell and who can't structure a paragraph says without question.

 

Spanking is an example
More structured, disciplined and attentive parenting is the perscription
moreso . . than another pill
Not saying a pill as a possibility but it should not be the 1st choice
nor the end all be all of it all

Have i angered you?

Rocket River

 

You are arguing against a pill=solution theory that no one in here is putting forward.

This what you are doing.

Baffled me really.

 

I think you have some solid points, but I don't like that fact the you're just writing off everyone else's opinion. You can term your opinions differently (more nicely).

[Hypothetical] What if one day we discover that a minuscule portion of people are affected by an actual mental disorder, and we were handing out pills for the sake of economy/politics/profit?

It's hard to believe that everything is not as it seems. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it really isn't; but the arguments I have been reading both demonstrate ignorance.

We can only educate ourselves so much. Lets have a calm collective debate that keeps us thinking, but try not to call out people on there potentially outlandish comments. They might just go insane because of it

 

You've missed some of my posts apparently. I agree that we are likely misdiagnosing mental illness in some cases and I even agree that many parents do a terrible job and it leads to a lot of the problems.

We are arguing about a specific example that was posted in the thread earlier, the story of a mother who's son is out of control beyond just needing discipline. River used that example to say in that case it was just the result of a mother being too permissive and needing to spank her child more.

I am completely writing off that opinion and I'm completely writing off the opinion that giving out too many trophies caused it.

Giving out too many trophies may very well be a stupid thing to do that has negative repercussions (something I agree with) but it has nothing to do with why a mentally ill person just blasted away at a school.

 

Ah, I see. We'll if I have to get involved [since I need to consume the next hour productively]...

I would say that the parent doesn't seem to be too permissive. HOWEVER, I do agree that having permissive parents can be a major problem. I have first hand experience with [formally] very close friends and their parents.

That being said, River might have a point, but we wouldn't know unless we asked Ryan how he grew up.

Giving out too many trophies? Now that seems extreme. And if that we're an actual reason, it stems from parenting. Greed and envy... nobody is prefect though.

 

Pics of the victims

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/sandy-hook-victims/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Damn. Makes it even more real.

I also read that some of them were shot up to 11 times. How can someone do something like that???

 

At this point, it has gone too far. Grounded from electronics? lol

Did he change his pants? That's a key point in my opinion

Did she discuss what he thinks his rights are?

Perhaps she is uncomfortable in these situations [which is fine]. I would hardly suggest that seeing a psychologist as a viable solution. If you have to go to a psychologist, that means it is out of your hands and you really do need the help.. which is fine. However, I would rather you try everything you can first. Take some parenting classes maybe. Do everything you can to make yourself a better parent. Even if you think you're doing a good job, you can always be better.

Some people just aren't meant to be parents, but we can't argue that. Nobody can gauge whether or not you are a worthy parent. How do you get parents to better themselves though? What can our government do about it? Isn't this in their scope of work? I have no doubt they try. Parents work in the government and my guess is that a number of them have problems with their children as well. The solutions we have thus far aren't working <-- we can say this forever, because there is always room to improve. As long as we keep trying, there's nothing more we can do.

To comment on Child Services though... I think it's laughable. They would take River's kids away because he believed spanking was the solution.

Note: I believe an appropriate spanking is healthy. Spanking should not be a result of your emotions, but a solution to poor behavior. A good spanking should net results because of the idea, not the action. Spanking to give pain is not correct. Sometimes parents get caught in their emotions but that should not cost them their kids.

Note 2: As you get older spanking turns to slapping and should be scarce. A slap in the face means you've gone beyond the line. Obviously these are just my opinions and how I see myself raising my children.

Nobody should attack me for my opinions [or anyone else for that matter]. That's what we are sharing, our opinions. Because that's what people do. They go to forums and share their opinions and give/receive feedback to [perhaps] make themselves better people.

 

Rachel D'Avino, 29

She likely didn't know it when she died, but her best friend was about to propose. He had recently asked Rachel's parents for permission, and he was planning to ask for her hand in marriage on Christmas Eve.

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Victoria Soto, 27

Her students were huddled behind her in a corner of the classroom, her family said.

"That's when the gunman burst in, did not say a word, no facial expressions, and proceeded to shoot their teacher," said Robert Licata, whose 6-year-old son Aiden escaped by running past the shooter.

"She instinctively went into action when a monster came into her classroom and tried to protect the kids that she loved so much," her cousin, James Wiltsie, said. "We just want the public to know that Vicki was a hero."

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... Ugh.

 

Usually mentally insane. Whether it was temporary or a mental illness is speculation.

Regardless, shoot a child 1 time or 11 times... I consider it equally shocking. Now shoot you're girlfriend 11 times, you were really really mad (usually temporary insanity). Doesn't mean it should hold up in court. That's just ridiculous. Am I digressing?

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...mmy-im-ok-but-all-of-my-friends-are-dead?lite

No one especially a child deserves to witness a massacre. It's heartbreaking.

 

That is completely horrific. That little girl is going to have many years of healing and soul searching to do in front of her.

 

Oh man....ugh.

 

IMO, it seems like the mother was just ashamed of her son's mental condition and tried to keep it a secret, rather than get him help. She had money after all, and didn't seem shy herself, yet kept her home life very private, even from friends, and neighbors never really saw them.

Do you know if that was part of the official report by the examiner? the only thing i've found is just about all of them were shot multiple times, about up to 3. I've been finding tons of misinformation on this shooting. Lots of people are talking to reporters, who aren't confirming the information.

 

Heartbreaking just heartbreaking...

 

WTF are you talking about?

 

Please don't post pictures of the victims or any of that type of imagery in this thread (links are cool, though). I have purposely avoided that...this thing already rips me up inside. I already can't sleep at night and felt really uneasy dropping my son of at school this morning. Thanks