[BREAKING] School Shooting in Conn. at Elementary School

*shrug*
Proper discipline ages 1-5
twarts a bunch of behavior for 5-20.

As with most things. . some parents have to do more than other
not unlike kids with physical handicaps

While you find my tone cavalier offensive . . . I find it offensive that
the answer to every problem is becoming .. HERE . . .TAKE A PILL

I find it offensive that we have allowed kids an EXTREME amount of freedom, liberty and POWER . .
but without proper guidence, little accountability and responsibility
and when they get out of hand
We wanna say their mentally handicapped, or just vile and evil [which depends on things from demographic information to timing]
Want to medicate them into submission or coddle them more telling them
it is not their fault . . because they have a mental illness

The answer is probably some where between my extreme and yours

Rocket River
Spare the Rod . . .

 

It isn't.

And his view isn't extreme. Unless you mean the opposite of 'extremely ignorant'.

 

My extreme? What is my extreme exactly? Considering I haven't suggested a single pill or therapy or anything, what exactly is it that you think I'm "extreme" on? Not thinking that spanking fixes personality disorder?

 

Yeah.

You don't have a clue.

SMDH.

 

*shrug*


Rocket River

 

I used the word 'extreme' because I don't find my position extreme at all
just as you don't consider yours extreme.

Rocket River

 

I bet if we put every single health, parenting and psychological expert to a vote, they'd vote down the idea that spanking cures personality disorders by a pretty huge margin.

 

There is a difference between a kid that back talks to his parents or acts like a spoiled brat and one who pulls a knife on his mother and causes the parents to formulate a plan to get his siblings into "safe zones".

 

Clearly. I have no doubt that Rocket River is right to a point that many parents don't discipline their children correctly (whether that means spanking or something else) or are just lazy with regards to parenting in general. I have no doubt that this bad parenting can often lead to spoiled, annoying, douchey, unproductive, destructive, etc. children and eventually adults.

But that is wildly different from the mother and child described in the article he quoted. His post reminded me of someone on 610 on Saturday that suggested that the killings in CT are the result of a culture that gives trophies to everyone in little league.

 

Some responses are so predictable. There's always going to be people who automatically blame things like lack of gun control, lack of religion in schools, violent video games/music, lack of parental discipline as a child, the media, etc.

The sad fact is, none of that is going to stop something like this from happening again. We just never know what's going through the mind of some people and we never will. Right now, someone somewhere is planning another massacre like this....and there is literally nothing we can do to stop it except hope he screws up somewhere along the way and gets caught.

 

I think their chances of screwing up are significantly higher if their access to semi and semi automatic weapons is limited and they have to see a psychiatrist once a year.

 

History of school shootings in the US:

http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

 

From the late 1980s to the early 1990s the United States saw a sharp increase in gun and gun violence in the schools. According to a survey conducted by The Harvard School of Public Health "15% said that they had carried a handgun on their person in the past 30 days, and 4% said that they had taken a handgun to school in the past year." a sharp increase from just five years earlier. By 1993, the United States saw some of the most violent time is school shooting incidences.

• May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California Eric Houston, 20, killed four people and wounded 10 in an armed siege at his former high school. Prosecutors said the attack was in retribution for a failing grade.

According to the National School Safety Center, since the 1992-1993 U.S. school year there has been a significant decline in school-associated violent deaths (deaths on private or public school property for kindergarten through grade 12 and resulting from schools functions or activities):

1992–1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993–1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994–1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995–1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)

 

I think we are debating two different things and both sides have a valid point.

There ARE too many parents that don't raise their kids properly and as a result they do not grow up to be well-adjusted, properly functioning adults. And yes, we do have a culture that tends to shirk responsibility in favor of an ever expanding list of medical diagnoses and prescription pharmaceuticals. It does not dismiss the fact that mental illness is a real issue that too many people are not educated on, but it is still true.

It is ALSO true that everyone has to deal with the reality of a less-than-utopian society, and this is the de facto logic against the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. You're never going to get rid of the people who have a tendency to kill other people completely. What you can do at the least is make it much harder for them to do so. Over the past few decades, we've gone the other direction and made it progressively easier instead.

This is a multifaceted problem, and that's why it prompts such deep soul-searching as a society to figure out all the places where we've missed it so badly as to allow incidents like this to happen at home.

 

only problem - his view isn't extreme at all while yours is borderline moronic. this kid is clearly mentally unstable but yeah, all he needs is a less "permissive" parent to give him some tough love

like i said earlier, your grasp on mental health issues is alarmingly off base.

 

The ignorance that leads to the responses is a big reason why it's such a hard problem to fix.

"The parents need to spank these kids more!"
"Stop giving out trophies to every kid just for participating!"
"We'll never really know, some people are just eeeeeeeeeeevil!"

The last one is really annoying to me right now because it's what a friend of mine believes. Doesn't want to hear about mental illness, truth is that these people just have evil in them and you can't do anything to help someone that is just evil.

 

and then their is the other extreme of
It's not their fault . . . they needed their pills. .
It's not their fault . . . they born that way
It's not their fault . . . it's the latest syndrome

In some cases these maybe true. . .but I think we overuse them

QUESTION: How prevalent would you say Mental Illness is?
1 out of 10 people?
1 out of 100 people?

Rocket River

 

People like you are the reason mental health is still such a problem.

 

Watching interviews with the families. Really rough. They're begging for gun control, they don't want others to go through their pain.

 

I'm sure you're helping