The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

Jesus Christ!!! Mutiple shots at point blank range from any gun is likely to kill a child. This guy wasn't shooting a deer in the woods at 200 yards, he was shooting children in a classroom with semi-automatic weapons. You're disgusting.

 

I'm not advocating, I am pointing out what the 2nd Amendment says. It doesn't say "use" and its wording is unique among the other rights. Anyway It is clear that the 2nd Amendment does allow regulation on the type and use of guns.

As for responsible gun owners as I said in the Hangout thread I can sympathize with responsible gun owners but we don't make laws based on people acting responsibly but on the ones who don't.

 

i am all for the right to bear arms but...
there is absolutely no reason for assault rifles to be legal. and there is zero legitimate argument to keep them legal. (sorry you cant go to the gun range and blow a bunch of money getting your jollies off)

i think a reasonable solution would be:
pistols (extended clips banned)
shotguns
bolt action rifles (hunting)

 

How do you explain that unlike the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights the 2nd does explain why it is there? Do you believe the Founders had no reason to put it there?

Also your response doesn't address the fact that the Amendment doesn't say "use" so under the strictest reading it does allow for regulation of usage of arms.

 

Not to forget having a mentally ill son living with her and apparently not securing her firearms enough to keep him from taking them.

 

I think a lot of people would find this reasonable, but the NRA/Gun Manufacture lobby would literally spill blood in Congress if we got close to that.

You can totally protect your home with the weapons you've listed, unless there is a zombie apocalypse.

 

Seriously Roxran you are better than this.

Once again, we highly regulate alcohol and tobacco, who can use them, when they can be used, and when they can be purchased.. Since you keep on bringing this up would you agree then to the same amount of regulation on firearms?

 

Would 900 different types of guns be enough? We will see what Congress says, as the democrats are set to introduce legislation not unlike your idea, but with tons of options. Glad DiFi is using the term "weapons of war." Appropriate.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/1216/Sandy-Hook-school-shooting-Democrats-speak-up-on-gun-control?nav=87-frontpage-entryLeadStory

 

I would agree to those. I would also add:
Registration of all firearms
Requiring the same requirements for gun sales at shows and by private sellers as gun dealers.
Requiring a mental health to be one of the criteria in background checks for purchasing guns and ammo.

 

Would I give up my the 2nd amendment if there was a 100% guarantee there would never be a random mass shooting again?

Absolutely not. Mass shootings is nothing more than media sensationalism. The easiest solution to reduce mass shootings is to end the glorification of these mentally ill shooters.

Naturally, the knee jerk reaction is to be "Are you serious??? you're a sick POS to think like that. What about the victims??" What is sick is the immediate knee jerk reaction for the individual who know nothing about guns to call for them to be all banned.

To these people I say, where is your cry for gun control on a daily basis? 20 people dead in one shooting is a lot? 3 to 4 times that die everyday from guns in America. How is having 70 separate incidents any different than having a 1/4 of them at one place?

Quit giving these guys a week of fame and they will stop doing it.

 

I appreciate your words, but I contend there is gun control enough. I'm sorry gun abuse led to 20 kids being killed. I have kids myself and my daughter cried hearing about those kids.. But abuse happens and leads unfortunately to deaths. And so un-necessary, but alcohol abuse can kill scores of others as well via drunk drivers. A whole family wiped out due to driving while intoxicated happens way too much by one individual...my issue is when people say there is no control when there is background checks, ATF forms, and laws of use
And when we use the ban word, it is a dangerous thing. the loss of a protected right. such a slippery slope towards other rights.... It is un fathomable to me.

If you want to pick what you ban, then my contention is do it towards greater threats first. that makes sense. that is logic. Firearms are certainly under control by law and doing more is completely infringement. Remember, it's not the use of guns...it's gun abuse. We need to expend energies on attacking abuse, not use...but start first with greater threats to the people....

 

Wow, I've always thought the way you think is so strange...I see you haven't disappointed me in this instance either...

So you favor censorship over gun control...gotcha. Yep, lets not mourn these tragedies. Instead lets brush these little firearm mishaps under the rug so we can try to hide the fact that mentally unstable folks are easily able to obtain weapons that could kill a kindergarten homeroom in seconds with little effort or training.

Hell it doesn't even matter that you ban all unstable folks from obtaining weaopns when they can easily get them from a relative or someone they know.

Do you really think any instances like this could be held secret? Facebook, twitter, hell, the news? It would be extremely negligent for school officials not to report this from happening and hopefully prevent another instance from occuring.

Yep, it's the media's fault that these unstable citizens shoot up a bunch of innocent and defenseless children. If guns were unavailable I'm sure these unsociable, awkward, nerds would still be able to take out the same number of folks with a baseball bat or a crowbar, right? The fact that a gun can kill multiple people with a few little trigger pulls is just a coincidence in the number of people that they are able to kill and has absolutely no correlation in the death count...

Where are peoples's cry on a daily basis? Uh, people have these things called "lives"...we have things to do everyday, some can barely balance all the responsibilities in their lives and don't have the time to post regularly on a message board like you do. But people have opinions on matters and when something especially heinous occurs that they feel strongly about, people will respond...it's called society. The fact that they aren't pounding on the topic 24/7 doesn't make it any less relevant.

Just curious, but how are you so comfortable with the fact that people are dying daily because of guns? It's just one of those things, eh?
LOL, I love how you say "Would I give up my 2nd amendment"...what happened to the first of amendment to all the victims? Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness? They were forced to give it up because someone used their second amendment and unfortunately their pursuit of happiness was to slay over 20 kindergartners in class.

I'm sure it's worth it to you though...keep holdin on to that 2nd amendment tough guy.

 

The use of firearms is regulated.....

Go try firing your gun in the air.

 

I don't like guns, I don't own one, I have never fired nor will I ever fire one.

I think they should be regulated, but the right to bear arms is just that, a right. While I think that some portions of the constitution are horribly out dated, I do not believe the right to bear arms is one of them.

 

I've shot guns all my life and own them... but yet again we have another massacre with an assault rifle and handguns with extended clips. This school shooting could have been much worse.

Then a day later we have a crazy man with a 100k in weapons and ammo threatening to burn his wife and shoot kids at an elementary.

And another person shoots 50 rounds off in a parking lot.

How many of these tragedies have we had this year?

Something has to change -- it's time.

 

Gotta love society huh? ....we ruin things. Whatever

 

What's terrifying to me is that it's only going to get worse... If 1 gunman can wreck this much havoc, imagine what 3,4 or 5 of them could do to a school???

 

Lets not get carried away, but yea abuse knows no bounds I suppose..

 

I'm just glad the acts of a crazy person aren't being used by political figures to push an agenda....oh wait.

I'm all for reasonable restrictions/ regulations or whatever but bad people will still use funds for bad perposes. They will use a shotgun instead of a .223, 9mm instead of a .243, etc.

 

I suppose you called asking for better funding for FEMA or levee construction after Katrina "agenda pushing"?

It's not unusual or inappropriate to want to discuss gun control after a mass slaughter. In fact, it's normal and very much appropriate.

If not now, then when? Of course, your desired answer (and the rest of the pro-gun lobby) is likely never. That's your strategy. Do whatever you can to keep people from talking about this and obfuscate and smear those who do.

It's getting old and it's not going to work anymore.