The Topic of Gun Control and How it Relates to Recent Mass Shootings

I'm a middle school teacher. Giving us guns is not going to make our schools any safer. Plus, most of us don't want to carry them in our place of employment.

Support your kids and education by reforming current laws.

These "gun lovers" disgust me. It's okay to own guns, but why do you need something that only the Terminator should carry?

Guns DO kill people.

 

This guy killed with HANDGUNS. The rifle he used is LESS powerful than your average hunting rifle.

 

You can also make an AR-15 that shoots a 7.62 with a different barrel, but this guy had a .223 so your point is moot.

 

You continue to harp on this completely ridiculous point...guns are made to kill..PERIOD. Alcohol and Tobacco are not made to kill, but they can if they're mis-used...just like OTC medicines, butter knives, and power tools...the fact that you continue to compare firearms to alcohol and tobacco just shows how completely out of touch you are when it comes to firearms and how they effect society.

Seriously, you need to realize that you aren't any better able to "defend yourself or your family" if you have guns...someone comes to your job (or your wife's or kids school) and shoots you in the back...your dead. Someone shoots you(or your wife's or kids school) while you're walking in the door to work...you're dead. Someone shoots you getting gas for your car...your dead. Someone shoots you going to the grocery store, mall, movie theater, picking up your kids, going to a restaurant...etc. Oh wait...if more people were armed then they'd be able to kill the perp after he takes out 4-5 people instead of 6-7...wow, that's a great solution! I guess as long as your "hey I have a gun and can shoot it real gud" ego is intact it's cool to have these weapons available to psychos b/c, well, at least you can shoot it and believe you and your family are sooo much safer.

Wake up, weapons are much more dangerous when they're in the hands of people that have nothing to lose and will do anything they're willing to do to kill a massive amount people...does it really strip that much manhood away from you if you can't go pew pew with them but to know that psychos aren't able to acquire them? What's more important to you? Bah, I think I already know the answer to that...nevermind...

 

Yeah, your extreme sarcasm only helps in the case that your argument holds some weight. In this case you are using it to obscure the fact that you are essentially arguing we should ban other things before we ban guns (a red herring that aims to take this debate beyond a scope you feel comfortable arguing, and is ridiculous since the imposition of resonable limits on alcohol is not in any way mutually exclusive with someone who wishes to impose reasonable limits on guns), and those other things cause incremental probabilities of death even if used en masse around people, while guns---hmm.

 

Why do you keep saying this? Regardless of one's stand on gun control, it has been determined that most of the deaths were due to the Bushmaster.

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...hot-multiple-times-chief-medical-officer-says

 

You are claiming a hunting rifle 30-06 is more dangerous than a AR-15 .223. My Remington 30-06 can only hold 5 bullets at a time and it takes a long time for me to aim and eject that first bullet and **** in the next bullet. By the time I shoot off that second hunting rifle bullet accurately it will probably be 10 seconds (not to mention the kick on that huge caliber). So in those 10 seconds the rifle can kill 2 people, but the AR can at least kill 5-10 people (this is if it is a semi-automatic). Not to mention any crazy can look up on youtube how to make their semi-automatic AR into a full automatic and kill even more people. Handguns on average have 15 bullet mags rather than the 30 that comes on the AR (you have to reload a pistol more often, giving time for victims to take over said gun man). Not to mention handguns only have an effective range of 20 yards for most people as opposed to 200 yards with the AR. So before you call people out on not having a grasp on assault rifles, you might want to understand modern warfare a bit more.

All these wingnuts saying guns dont kill people, people do... Well nuclear bombs don't kill people either but you bet your ass we don't make them available to the public. Anything that can kill 50 people in under a minute should not be available to the public just like nuclear bombs are not. Assault rifles need to be banned... This way the people who try to purchase them illegally you can convict them because there is no reason for them to have one unless they are trying to hurt people in a world where they are banned. On that note, anyone who claims that any gun besides the AR needs to get banned is a moron as well.

Anyway, this is my last comment on this thread since the D&D is such a crappy forum with so many right leaning wingnuts and all the puss liberals.

 

You're missing the point completely. Obviously you know more about guns than I do, but again, that's not the point.

Also, based on what I have read and watched, what you've posted above in relation to the types of guns that were used is inaccurate.

Still, I find it surprising that you are showing some sort of passive-aggressive gun support even though this happened.

 

I am sure glad you chose to use capitalization to show how completely wrong you are in this discussion.

 

Be sure to lick your fingers on the way out!

;-)-

 

Guns are made to propel a projectile. Nothing more. A 2nd admendment right to own and very useful for hunting and self-defense. When you say "out of touch", it basically shows you accept the hundred of thousands of needless deaths with regards to what alcohol and cigarette use and abuse does....in fact when you are against guns, you are not against my guns...you know I won't shoot you,..maybe I hope, but you are against the abuse of the guns against innocents which results in a threat to the general public...

Abuse of guns is a threat to the people. . .and I think you are for the safety of the people, but it makes no sense to attack gun abuse when greater dangers and threats are derived from alcohol and cigarette use...never mind alcohol and tobacco abuse, just the use...especially tobacco is a greater cause of death by mere use,...millions of Americans use guns and no legitimate deaths happen from legal use

 

what's outrageous is that the US hasn't banned spoons. Spoons have directly contributed to making people fat, which then leads to heart disease, the number 1 killer in America today.

BAN SPOONS IMMEDIATELY!

 

Call me when second hand smoke kills 20 6 and 7 year olds in a few seconds.

The argument that we should do nothing about gun control because we have done little about tobacco is just stupid. The tobacco corporatists can just say, "Hey, nothing is done about guns, why pick on tobacco?" Thus we never do anything about anything because we can't do anything about something before we do something about that other thing. Nice Catch-22 you have constructed.

There can be no argument that the type of guns make a difference in situations like this. None. Some guns are made to kill people. Nothing more.

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How can people even imply that it is not about guns? Because of that gun, a guy killed 20 kids and 7 adults in a matter of minutes if not seconds.

And watch that video. See the adrenaline rush the guy gets from shooting that weapon? See the glee he experiences? The power? And he's probably an average guy that has a family and goes to work 5 days a week. Put that power, that emotional high into the hands of someone unstable and you dramatically increase your chances of something like what happened.

It is absurd that guns like that are legal. That guy has no real use for them. The shooters who kill innocents certainly don't.

A well-regulated militia is the first phrase of the 2nd Amendment. Nobody is suggesting doing away with guns, but we do need to be sensical about it and make it much harder for people to get guns that are only designed to kill lots of people.

We also need to quit playing to the paranoid fantasies that people need the firepower of an Army base to repel people after a societal collapse or a Red Dawn invasion or a government takeover. The first two are ridiculous and if you really were worried about the first one, you would be in support of doing anything and everything to deal with global warming.

 

You know what, "guys". If spoons, alcohol and tobacco led to the death of more American children than the next 23 or so developed nations combined, you bet I would be asking the same questions about spoons, alcohol and tobacco. However, data suggests our relationships with firearms make us unique in terms of our own innocent citizenry, you know, getting the **** killed.

Divert all you want. Make hyperbolic and terrible analogies all you want. It's so damned typical. You should ask the dead teacher's assistant how she feels now about her right to buy weapons of war. Oh, whoops.

 

A rubber band gun is made to propel a projectile...a golf club is made to propel a projectile (a golf ball)...a bottle rocket is made to project a projectile. None of these are made to kill a living being...none of them, every firearm ever made is made for the sole purpose of killing. The fact that you relate a firearm to these other objects shows how completely out of touch you are with reality...seriously, you continue to deflect the blame firearms have for all these tragedies because you can't seem to imagine life without owning a gun...seriously would you feel like less of a man because you couldn't hold one in your hands? Does it make you nervous if someone could come and take them away from you? Why? Have you ever needed to use one to defend yourself or your family? Do you get home invaded often? Are you one of those folks that really believe a zombie acoplyse is around around the corner?

Would you ever consider giving up your guns if you KNEW that the US would be a much safer place and there would be no more mall/school/theater shootings? Something tells me no, the "freedom" of gun ownership overrides all innocent life to you I'm sure...please feel free to avoid this question as I'm sure you'll do it anyway...

 

I'd like to hear you say that to the victims families.

 

oh, texxx, when you insult or you make absurdist arguments you lose apparently.

Too bad these kind of absurdist allusions are usually meant to characterize a ridiculous notion of others rather than very dubious leaps of logic by oneself. The simple fact is getting fat and stuffing yourself poses a danger to yourself , but actually probably slows you down in the hunt to hurt others.

Can't say the same for guns, I'm afraid.

 

THis is absurd. How does anyone need an M-16 to defend themselves?

Look, if all people used guns was to commit suicide, then yeah, I'd agree with you that it's like alcohol and cigarettes.

But these weapons aren't sold for self-defense, they are sold to people who like the extensive damage they can do - either to fire at a shooting range, collection, or for some insane reason.

It doesn't matter anyway, I think this is a watershed event. This particular massacre, in regards to everything that has happened recently - is probably the tipping point.

I think you will see gun control go into place, and I think republicans will be hard pressed to say no.

 

Or when he's defenseless, taking a few high-velocity slugs to the chest. Maybe his last words would be "at least this psychotic freak didn't have a spoon." Hahahaha. Then we could share a laugh with the clever bigtexxx.