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[ClutchFans] Jeremy Lin after Rockets 101-89 win over Celtics

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. holly1985

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    Lin is in the Bench. SMH McFail.
     
  3. holly1985

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    Did we lose or something? Why is everyone upset?
     
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    Confirmation bias.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    McHale isn't holding an iron grip on him. And Lin is getting 27 minutes in a game is plenty for him to show what he has to do. He's not getting yelled at from the sidelines and he's not getting pulled after mistakes. He's still the starter.

    I won't say anything about the coaching right now - frankly I just think it's very very basic. Which might be ok for a young team. But I will say this...there are times when Lin had opportunities to push the ball or penetrate and he pulled up instead and looks for Harden. I don't think that's what McHale is telling him - bring the ball up and pass to Harden. McHale is saying Lin needs the ball in his hands more. Now how do you reconcile that with what is happening on the court???

    Thats why I say he's playing timidly.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Ease your jets there buddy. This is not about TD. Who the heck cares about Toney Douglas? I'm talking about JLin - the guy who is not suppose to be better than TD, but is suppose to be LIGHTYEARS better.

    And I believe he is...or will be.

    But right now the kid has got to grow some balls and toughen up. I want to see Lin look and create his shot more, and penetrate and dish versus just bring the ball up and pass it like he doesn't want the ball. That's what it looked like at times last night.
     
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    He was not timid at all, not last night. In fact, he was getting after his teammates in some of those timeouts, fired up.
    I think it's great that the coaches yell at him, Pop does it to all of them. What I don't like is that they don't yell at harden for attempting to split the triple team and turning it over. Both of these guys need to be yelled at like they're in bootcamp so they don't make the same mistakes over and over. I guess lin's mistakes would be passing it to Asik down low.:p

    could you imagine doc rivers taking out rondo because his pure point guard that averages 14/12 a night is being outscore by the new wave point guard who scores 24 points/ 5 assists?
    to me, assists are just as lovely as points..
     
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    Disagree. I think Lin could've gotten more shots in. 6 shots in 3 quarters is not going to cut it especially the way they were crowding the paint daring him to shoot the 3 pointer (which he did not). That said, I agree the benching was kind of uncalled for, but its not surprising given the PG history of the Rockets. We're just going to have to ride this to the end of the season and hope all ends well. =/
     
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    This is the rockets system. What they like to do is have the PG (Lin) bring the ball up & swing to Harden who gets a pick & Harden runs the PNR. Harden then gets the chance to either score or pass to someone for a spot up 3. When Harden was out in the Spurs game. They put Lin in that Harden role. So TD (PG) would bring the ball up & swing to Lin who gets a pick run Asik & runs the PNR. Lin now has the chance to score or pass or hit the roll man.

    How do you reconcile the complete turn about that Lin did when Harden was out vs the Spurs to how he has played thus far. It is night & day for a reason. Oh right Lin can't defer to superstars that is laughable. Maybe it is because it is the system. It is so funny to me that you don't see this, NBA bloggers on twitter were saying as much. One twitter follower/ NBA blogger that I would recommend (hoopscritic) he does radio stuff for the Rockets predicted that Lin would go off against the Spurs once they found out that Harden was out & lo & behold that occurred. Ric Bucher said the same thing (but I don't like him & he is a terrible follow so just ignore this sentence).

    McHale also said that he would put Lin on the left wing so that he can drive to his right, that hasn't happened. Another great twitter follower (bballsource) he runs the Basketball breakdown website, said the exact same thing during the celtics game when Barry was saying that see Lin can't go left. It is a very simple solution that McHale could implement immediately (that was how Lin & harden were like during the first two games when they were just playing off of instinct) but McHale hasn't gone back to it. The coaches need to be more proactive they haven't yet (maybe they need more time) & I am curious to see if they every will.

    Just a few thoughts.
     
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    i'm not sure that was a shot attempt, the angle doesn't seem to cut it. it could've been a pass but no one was there. i don't know what rondo was thinking. either way that was a great play by lin.
     
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    Lin was great against the spurs because his shot was falling, he gained confidence and played really aggressive ( remember that one three from the parking lot?). But it was only one game... (Yeah, I know... Linsanity, a couple of good games this season...)

    With Harden in the game, he looks a little lost. He knows Harden is the man, but he doesn't know what he is supposed to do now. He is driving when there is no lane, he is shooting but has trouble to hit anything...

    Yeah, I am exaggerating a bit, but that is what it comes down to. Harden needs to stop those "impossible" shots and Jeremy needs to learn when to drive, when to take over a game and how to hit open shots. And McHale has to learn how to best use his guards in a game...

    It is early in the season, give them time! Everybody in the Rockets want Lin and Harden to succeed...
     
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    How many starting PGs are able to put up 38 points not once but twice within their first 50 starts of their careers?
     
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    There are some contradictory things right now - and we don't have insight into what's going on in the coaches heads.

    My point isn't that Lin CAN'T defer to superstars - it's that he is deferring TOO MUCH.

    When the coach says the ball needs to be in your hands more often, I think they are giving you a signal to be more aggressive. So really, right now, and from what I see on the court from him, I think he needs to play with swagger. No coach in the NBA will say a player should do otherwise.
     
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    ROFL Lin thinking: Get that s h i t outta here Rondazz!
     
  17. zdrav

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    The thing is that it's NOT only one game. Lin had a handful of games like the San Antonio game in which he just completely took over the whole game.

    Obviously, he's not going to average that over a season or a career, but very few NBA players even have the capability to have a single game like that in their entire careers. Lin's already done it multiple times within his first 50 starts.
     
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    I'm not worried. It would have been nice to see him in the 4th quarter, but this happens to a lot of starters in the league. Coaches will ride the hot hand. There's plenty of more games to be played. I loved Lin's defensive energy and his passing is always on point. :)
     
  19. ThatBoyNick

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    Lin played pretty good. Im pretty happy with him at the point, he's obviously not the very best fit for this team though, but he does ok. In my mind, i think a prime AB would of fit best with this current team. A point who's not really a point, will let harden handle the ball while he can drain open 3's due to the penetration by harden and CP, and when harden goes off the court..can still create shots well and set up teamates efficianty.
     
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    You are right in the short run, but in the long run, a Lin-Harden combo could be far more devastating.
     

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