1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Tea Party activists attack union members in Michigan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    Unfortunately, this is true. With outsourcing, companies can ship their jobs to places were working for a $1 without receiving benefits is possible.

    That's why China is so ahead of the game. You can't unionize, there's no such thing as worker's rights, and there's 700 million poor people who will work for next to nothing.

    Funny how a Communist country ended up being the one to perfect capitialism.
     
  2. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,597
    Likes Received:
    17,572
    Those willing to work for the least, need it the most.

    Morally, makes sense to give them the work.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    Profits over country every single time. That's why we need to more closely regulate corporations.
     
  4. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,597
    Likes Received:
    17,572
    You're a nationalist?

    Chinese are human beings too, they need employment.
     
  5. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    They need employment, not virtual slavery.

    If the Chinese political landscape ever changes and worker's rights become demanded, then the companies will just move elsewhere and so on and so forth, until workers are competing with each other and driving wages down, effectively ending the middle class while making the rich richer.

    Yeah, that's a real moral high ground.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2002
    Messages:
    16,596
    Likes Received:
    496
    I'm an American. I would prefer it if the companies who operate here show some sign that they get the term "civic responsibility."
     
  7. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,597
    Likes Received:
    17,572
    Unless they're working against their will, thats an abuse of language. Slavery is involuntary servitude, by definition.

    But the wage is not down for the worker that would have no job otherwise. They're better off, otherwise they'd be doing something else

    It is.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/O2sW2wt3nLU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  8. BigBenito

    BigBenito Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2002
    Messages:
    7,355
    Likes Received:
    175
    Suicide nets.
     
  9. thadeus

    thadeus Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2003
    Messages:
    8,313
    Likes Received:
    726
    Bob doesn't want to work a ****ty job, but he can't afford to attend university. Bob can choose any ****ty job, but he doesn't want to work a ****ty job. Unfortunately, Bob has to work a ****ty job if he wants to have money for food/rent/and so forth. But Bob would never voluntarily work one of these ****ty jobs - he had to be coerced into it by people threatening to take away his home, his food, and his life.

    Was Bob a slave?

    Your model of reality falls into tiny pieces in the face of genuine reality.
     
  10. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    18,758
    Likes Received:
    11,910
    You insult all the real slaves that ever existed.

    Bob can't afford his **** that he agreed to pay for so he has to take a less desirable job to meet his obligations? That's not slavery.

    Why does broke ass sweatshop Bob even own a house?

    You are comparing people who were captured and dragged from their home and forced to work at gun point to Bob, who couldn't afford ****.
     
    #70 tallanvor, Dec 13, 2012
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2012
  11. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    I am getting a clearer picture of the conservatives on this site, defending large corporations moving jobs overseas to avoid taxes and in the process hurt American workers and exploit Chinese workers.

    No wonder the GOP party is scratching away to find any relevance...
     
  12. thadeus

    thadeus Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2003
    Messages:
    8,313
    Likes Received:
    726
    Replace "house" with "apartment" - same difference. Bob hasn't agreed to take on less than he gets paid - he could have stayed living with his mom, but his mom's broke too. If he wants a life, he's forced to work.

    And you're the one making that comparison. Commodore said "slavery is involuntary servitude." That's the point. We live in a country filled with involuntary servitude. But, of course, you're ignoring the point I was actually making and choosing to argue a point I wasn't even arguing.

    Typical.
     
  13. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,597
    Likes Received:
    17,572
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Right now I have a former police officer, heavily armed at my house protecting my wife. The threats are severe. Prayers appreciated.</p>&mdash; Steven Crowder (@scrowder) <a href="https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/279428566368788482" data-datetime="2012-12-14T03:32:16+00:00">December 14, 2012</a></blockquote>
    <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  14. Northside Storm

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    Starving perhaps?

    It's shocking how the "free market" can present such great alternatives. Those of you are who are such ardent believers in the system should seek more from it (certainly government interventionists who banned slavery, child labour and etc. have very much done so.)

    Imagining 1850s Commodore---

    the children are better off without legs and safety standards, if they weren't they bloody well wouldn't be here! this system is the best. nothing more can be done to improve it. Universal education to raise standards of living worldwide through exponential productivity increases? hogwash. and government. possibly the same things. we're too short-sighted for that here.
     
  15. NotInMyHouse

    NotInMyHouse Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    3,644
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    If you are a Union member and believe in the system you'd likely continue to contribute to that Union. If you're a member of the Union and can save a few bucks each month without mandatory dues, you'll probably contribute as you can during times when the checkbook isn't so tight.

    Dues should be private and voluntary.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    I think for his next assignment this comedian/Fox News contributor should go to some heavily black community and engage in his free speech about why Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. I suspect he won't be severely threatened by Union people anymore...

    Fox News can sure use the additional "news" reporting since it will feed into their "[Democrats] black people are increasingly violent" meme...
     
  17. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,597
    Likes Received:
    17,572
    The left has crafted an image of nonviolence, but here is an example of how casually it is condoned.

    If you ask union members, "why should people be forced to pay union dues?", you are provoking violence. If you ask them not to tear down your tent with people underneath it, you are provoking violence. In all of these instances it is the right arguing against force, and the left perpetrating it (either through law or

    But really, once you start discussing the content of the speech, you're playing the left's game, operating on the presumption that some speech justifies a violent response.

    She was asking for it, you see.
     
  18. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,715
    Likes Received:
    16,290
    Looks like he's more interested in free publicity than anything else.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/steven-crowder-no-charges.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

    Michigan Police Scratch Their Heads At Fox Contributor’s Post-Punch Media Tour


    If Fox News contributor Steven Crowder wants justice after being assaulted during right-to-work protests in Michigan this week, he sure has a weird way of showing it. That’s the word from Michigan State Police, who are ready to investigate and prosecute the man who punched Crowder multiple times on camera Tuesday — if only Crowder would let them.

    The video of Crowder taking those punches has gone viral, even as Crowder’s story about the circumstances has started to unravel. Regardless of exactly what happened leading up top the punches, however, there’s a potential crime caught on film and according to Michigan State Police, Crowder has so far shown no interest in having it investigated.

    “There is video footage of him being assaulted. We don’t know who the suspect is, but we could do a several month investigation and find the suspect,” Inspector Gene Adamczyk, spokesperson for the state police, told TPM on Thursday. “But if Mr. Crowder is not going to prosecute, we have not gained anything, we’ve wasted resources.”

    So far Crowder has not sought out police help after he was hit. Adamczyk pointed out he’s instead turned the video into a national conservative media tour.

    “I saw Mr. Crowder’s interview on Sean Hannity and he wants to have an MMA-sanctioned fight with this individual,” he said. Crowder told Hannity that if the suspect doesn’t come forward for the MMA fight (which he said would be held for charity), Crowder would “press charges.”

    Adamczyk did not sound impressed by the plan.

    “You can’t leverage the law for personal gain,” he said. “Either you’re the victim, or you’re not. So if he’s the victim of an assault, and he wants to file a complaint, we will definitely investigate it.”

    Meanwhile, media reports have poked holes in the original, edited video Crowder posted online after he was punched. The New York Times reported “a look at the video broadcast on the Sean Hannity show appears to show quite clearly that [Crowder] left out an important section of the footage when he put together his edit.”

    The unedited footage shows “the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian,” the Times reported.

    Adamczyk doesn’t understand why Crowder wouldn’t report the crime to the police and get the perpetrator prosecuted. He stressed that the MSP will not go forward with an investigation unless a crime is reported, and “there are all types of personal reasons” people sometimes don’t report a crime, he said.

    “If somebody broke into your house, wouldn’t you immediately report it to the police? If someone assaulted you or your family member wouldn’t you report it immediately to the police?” Adamczyk said. “Well, why wouldn’t you, unless there’s a personal agenda there.”
     
  19. Classic

    Classic Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,101
    Likes Received:
    608
    staged assault?
     
  20. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    472
    Apparently this assclown edited the tape as well to make it look like the "attack" was worse than it was.
     

Share This Page