No, i hear ya man, but all those claims can be rationalized by saying that God spoke,but the interpretation by man was flawed. Who's to say what God really meant if man had to interpret a divine's being words and then have it translated and recopied many times over until it became the literature we read today? How can any part of it be 100% sure a part of what God meant?
That's my assumption. I would like to see what a person believes that lets someone believe both randomness and Christianity. Yes, probably so. But methodology is a concept that can be debated within the context of the religion - based on whether you believe the Bible to be literal or figurative. That is an example of what I referred to as a secondary issue earlier. I'm sure there are people that call themselves Christian, but in that case, I don't think they actually believe the core tenets of the faith. I can call myself the CEO of Apple, but it doesn't make it true. I agree with that. I'm open to being wrong - which is why I asked the question. I would just like to know the logic that lets someone believe everything is random and also believe in Christianity. The two are totally opposite concepts from what I can tell. I don't see a way to reconcile the two.
Maybe simply a belief in God and not so specifically Christianity is a better example...I know I've run into folks who believe in a God and think He created the Universe and set the wheels in motion like I was telling juicy.
So IN YOUR idea - There is not statistical evidence that intelligent life is beyond Earth? Most of the folx around here beleive there is . . . Here is the point - 2. You think that there is probably some intelligent life as smart as us and you think it could have existed a million years ago . . . . My question about evolution . . . Would . . the breeding we do of cows now be considered a bit of forced evolution? Can we . . .NOW . . manipulate genetics now to force changes . . .would that be considered forced evolution. Ask Monsanto . . . are they not evolving the veggies into more resistant this and that. . . SO My point is. . . . IF WE CAN DO IT *NOW* and THERE IS A POSSIBILITY that life as intelligent as we are existed then Does it not follow that there is the possibility. . . it happened? Rocket River
Oh certainly - God as a general concept is perfectly compatible with pure evolution. I'm more thinking of specific faiths - all the western religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity), as well as some Eastern religions, though I'm less familiar with their core tenets.
Arguing about this topic is like matching a dozen pieces of a 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle and claiming they see the full picture. Sure, there is proof that a form of evolution exists. How in depth will always be debated. Its not an either/or debate. Believing in a omniscient Being doesn't mean that evolution doesn't exist and denying this Being doesn't mean believing in complete evolution. Believing in an omniscient Being is an easy answer for all questions. It requires faith, not science. Regardless if their faith is wrong, as long as if the individual is leading a positive life (ie. not killing people because they disagree), it should be respected. Science requires proof. Unfortunately, many of these people take theories and fill in the unknown gaps as if they are facts. Religious people often do the same thing. Evolution has far more unanswered questions than answered questions. I would think those who deny an absolute powerful being would consider alien life forms creating life on our planet over evolution from microorganisms. The intelligence gap between humans and the next closest species is not even comparable. A chimp using a stick as a weapon or to stick it in a hole to find food is not impressive...in the least. Ive seen common house pets do more than that. Explain the intelligence boom in the last 5000-8000 years (or hell, the last 75 years). Explain the intelligence gap between the next most intelligent animal. here are some DNA comparisons Cat: 90% Cow: 80% Mouse: 75% Fruit Fly: 60% Banana: 50%
The difference comes from believing, in the abstract, one of two ways: 1. Absolutism (yes/no) or 2. Percentages (likely yes/maybe/likely no - and even finer distinctions, given context and question).
I stated that very poorly. I didn't mean to say that mutation and natural selection weren't faith issues but that belief in God was. I don't think belief in God necessarily conflicts with acceptance of Evolution.
Aren't they still looking for The Missing Link? :grin: The Theory of Evolution is filled with great conjecture and its history contains many mistakes, if I am not mistaken...
So far, nobody has proven that there are any intelligent life outside this planet. Although I acknowledge that there is a high probability that it does, until somebody proves it to be true, my position stands. I can agree about your statements about forced evolution. Not quite sure what you are asking at the end though. Can you clarify? Thanks
One of the ladies I work with grew up on a farm. She has a stuffed fox in her classroom that she shot as a young girl protecting the henhouse. A couple of her brothers grew up to be forest rangers of some sort. She says that they tell her all the time about the inter-breeding between species that they see evidence of on a weekly/monthly basis.
We are evolving as a species by utilizing tools to improve life as we know it. The theory of evolution isn't bound or limited to simply physical elements. Evolution can be found in our use of technology, our increased life expectancy due to said technologies, our interracial breeding and other aspects. The human species today is vastly different than it was 2000 years ago, and in 2000 more years (if we're still here) it'll be vastly different.
I believe there is a God, just not one from any book. I can't prove it but I just have a hard time believing that there was this explosion and it formed into the earth (Yes I know there was more to it). What triggered the big bang? I doubt anyone will be able to answer this question unless we build a time machine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ratory-sparking-debate-about-playing-god.html give it a couple of years, or maybe decades. I can respect religion, but when people try to plug holes in science with it---no. Just because science hasn't answered it YET doesn't mean God is the solution, otherwise they might as well tell CERN to stop finding the fundamental particles that defined matter and mass.
well, a guy in a lab created life, it doesn't take a cleaned-up version of Zeus to do it, and/or the spaghetti monster. Sure, the life isn't as advanced as intelligent life---yet. Give it a few years, or decades. Science suggests Zeus and/or the spaghetti monster had plenty more.
