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Y/N... are you a Union Member?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Dec 12, 2012.

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Are you a member of a union-- relative to your work.

  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    1. Charter schools rig the numbers - IF a kid is not passing. . they kick them out for no reason other than to protect their numbers. . . Public schools cannot do that .

    2. Public schools maybe IMO overregulated. Charter schools don't have the same level of interference.

    Once the two playing fields are leveled. . once charter schools are FORCED to take on failing schools and FORCE to follow the same regulation . . .
    then check the results and call me

    Rocket River
     
  2. Svpernaut

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    Horse****.
     
  3. Svpernaut

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    The difference is, if I don't like a company and their rich CEO, I can leave that company. If I don't like a union leader, I can't work anywhere that union is the primary labor provider.

    ... and your inventory control excuse is lame at best. I've been on union sites. I've had to sit there for hours while waiting for a guy to arrive to do a 2 minute job that I could have done myself. I've seen a cable puller's union take nearly two years to complete a job at NASA JSC that could have been done in 3 months. I've lived it. I have plenty of family in unions, and the vast majority of them are ****.
     
  4. mc mark

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    SAG or Actor's Equity

    Of which I belong to both

    You like weekends?
    You like a 40 hour work week?
    You like vacation time?
    You like sick days?

    thank a union
     
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  5. Commodore

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    Lefties do love use of force. "Must" and "shall" our way to a better world.

    The abscence of regulation is a feature, not a bug.

    If the charter school kicks out poor performers, that would create a market for a school that caters to low performing students. Money to be made.
     
  6. Svpernaut

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    Did you really pull out SAG as your go-to? What's next, NFL PA? We're talking about the real world here.

    I don't have a 40 hour work week, so I'm not thanking anyone. I've also not had vacation days before, you know what... I left that job and found one where I did. Same goes with sick days and weekends. The market dictates these things now and has for nearly 40 years, not unions.
     
  7. mc mark

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    You asked for a union where it's members are better at their job than non-union members. I provided it to you.

    All of the things I listed came to being because of unions. That is fact
     
  8. Rocket River

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    There are PLENTY of non union shops.. . . esp in the south
    You can go to any one of them . . . . . so your example is flawed as well
    Hell . . a company can blackball you in an industry . . . it happens
    ask any whistleblower . . .

    The inventory example was just to say . .. YOU DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE MOVING SLOW IN THEIR JOBS . . .just sit down and do yours!

    I've seen union places that work very well . . . that does not mean your example never happens. . . .

    There needs to be changes on both side .. . I agree but the abolishment of unions is a pure folly

    School should not be considered a business
    IT is an investment in the NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE NATION

    Do you think we should outsource national defense as well?

    If the Absence of regulation is a feature. . they simply lessen the regulation on public schools - Issue resolved!

    Rocket River
     
  9. Svpernaut

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    Umm, that's like your opinion man. There are plenty of fabulous actors, writers and musicians that are not part of the Hollywood elite unions. Quality of work was subjective, and that was my point to the argument... guess it was over your head.

    That may be the case, but they remain because the market dictates it, not because of unions.

    You're proving my point for me. You invest in businesses don't you?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    If you don't like a union leader you are free to campaign against him, or run against him yourself or just vote against him. You can go to union meetings, and voice any concerns you have. You can work to try and change the union however you see fit.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Within the last 15 - 20 years SAG has made a good stand against producers and people who would profit off of the actors work on material distributed through the internet.

    Unions kept teachers pay from being docked, saved tens of thousands of jobs in Los Angeles alone. Imagine the economy hit if all of those people were unemployed. That's just in LA.

    Most SAG actors make wages that would put them in poverty if they lived on their acting wages alone.

    As statistics point out Union states have fewer on job deaths than right to work states. Keeping workers safe and workers from being exploited is a valuable service that obviously still needs to be done.
     
  12. Commodore

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    Every condition of employment, from wages to benefits to safety to hours, should be up for negotiation (collectively or otherwise). There is a tradeoff for both parties for all of these things, and the only moral solution are mutally agreed upon terms.
     
  13. Svpernaut

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    For thousands of years humans worked their asses off, and the strongest rose to the top. Now, in the past 50 years or so people feel that everyone deserves a fair chance regardless of effort they put out.

    The fact that people believe they deserve only a 40 hour work week is ridiculous. If you want to see where this logic will lead us, see European work environments and economies.

    The problem with these "workers rights" movements is they don't realize that while we're 100+ years in to our "civilized" society other countries are outworking us and will surpass us. China, India and other countries won't adhere to these ridiculous demands so they'll eventually pass us. There will then be other countries that follow them, and then others and others.

    There has to be a balance between workers right and doing what is best for the economy, and with unions there simply is no compromise. They will never relinquish anything they've acquired, they'd rather see the company go under (see Twinkies for details).
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    That isn't the position of unions. It never has been.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    This is not necessarily true . ..
    alot of times the most evil moralless and sneaky won.
    not the strongest. . . .

    At those character traits you want to cultivate?

    Are you advocating China like wages and work conditions . . .in America?
    because. . if you allowed it .. the jobs would definately come back to America
    Then it would be cost beneficial .then we could have full employment

    only the 1% would be happy but . .. it ain't about being happy
    and living a good and enjoyable life
    it is about putting money in companies pockets. . .right?


    Rocket River
     
  16. robbie380

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    So you are pro-robber barron? Did you like the business practices of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, etc.?

    Yes, unions have negative aspects, but they were created as a response to horribly unethical business practices by a few men who controlled far too much.
     
  17. David Stern

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    I believe unions are needed but i don't believe in pay to play rules....
     
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    LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO You really need to study history.....
     
  19. giddyup

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    Has any causality been established for some of these claims you are making?

    I think there is a place for Unions; I just don't romanticize them. Just as the owners once abused workers (worse), some unions abuse both workers and employers.

    A very fluid situation... sometimes you are standing in the pee.
     
  20. Commodore

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    Nothing wrong with a 40 hour work week.

    The problem is that it's mandated.

    Let the employer/employee negotiate the terms of their hours (collectively or individually).

    Just say no to coersion.
     

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