I've always posted feedback after a game . Win or lose. Prior to the season, I was only concerned about 5 games. Patriots game being one of them. That being said, I placed a $250 bet on the Patriots. Winning the money doesn't feel as good as I thought it would. I would have gladly lost the bet in exchange for a W. My team being embarrassed on national TV, once again, doesn't sit well with me. Hell, I would give $100 back just for it to be competitive lol. I think people are blaming Kubiak way too much. He knows how much Schaub can handle. Prior to the season, I was ready to eat a Texas sized plate of crow if Schaub proved me wrong. I subconsciously knew that I would never have to eat it. Schaub is just not that guy. Good, not great. In fact, I even said Schaub will have his opportunity, a wonderful thing in life, to show he is every bit as good as his upper echelon counterparts. Unfortunately, we got a front seat view of what elite actually is... not perceived eliteness. When I evaluate players, I evaluate the actual player and performance. The jersey has no influence on that. Good or bad. Too many people on this bbs, will bad mouth the Falcons and immediately turn around and defend the Texans with "11-2."... Or,* much worse, discredit guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc just to prop up Schaub. In my opinion, that is irresponsible and it's a disservice to Schaub.* What really grinds my gears, is when people say (insert team)* wanted it more/desperate team/had to win.... W T F! So we don't want to win on the big stage? We don't want to instill confidence within ourselves? We don't want to prove the naysayers wrong? So we can just have a laissez faire attitude as if we've won 7 Super Bowls since 2002? Unacceptable. In closing, for me, the book on Matt Schaub closed in October 2009. I kept the book hoping that I could open it back up, unfortunately, I threw it away in December 2010 (last chapter was horrible btw) . 'Real fans' know the significance of those dates... The book on the Texans is closed because I think I know how our journey ends. Rhetorical question: I mean, how good can a movie be when you already know how it ends? Although the book is closed, I haven't thrown it away. Like KG said, anything is possible!!! You know...... our*our*might just have a happy after all.* PS: to those who might see this as *long winded 'hate' against the Texans...*Smile and have a Blessed day.*
expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed. and since it's possible we may not ever acquire that "elite" QB (even after Schaub is gone) we all pine for, we should just give up every year even before the first regular season snap.
By all means, keep the sig. However, I was wrong for using the word buffoons. If you could edit that out, it would be much appreciated. I also hope that you would go back and look at my follow up posts regarding Mr. Watt. I just want you to have the full picture, before you conclude an opinion.
I edited the sig and removed the first sentence...not trying to flame you. Can't search for old posts. So feel free to post the entire thread.
Sure, no problem; I'll do it while we wait for you to link to the posts where I said I wouldn't trade any other QB for Matt Schaub....... First and foremost, because the team hasn't won significantly enough to place him in the discussion. He had MVP-worthy numbers in '09 and '10 - but the team only won 15 games. Unfortunately, since establishing themselves as legitimate playoff contenders, Schaub has either been hurt (last year, in which he might have been in the discussion had he stayed healthy) or so far out in front of too many games (this year) that he's been unable to accumulate the kind of counting statistics lazy sportswriters and internet posters like you crave when talking about MVPs. More recently, obviously, he simply hasn’t played well enough for consideration. Again, I started this thread more than two months ago and haven’t so much as thought about it in quite a while. Someone else thought it was worthy of bringing back up, for reasons I can’t comprehend. But you’ll note that nowhere in this thread, or any other thread these past few weeks, have I argued Schaub is consistently playing at an elite level currently. I’m at a loss how to respond to this; it’s biologically impossible for me to remove my brain in order to try and wrap my head around the comment’s sheer stupidity - and yet, I feel it’s the only way I could even remotely fathom conjuring up a response. Of all the things you could bring up, you tie your horse to this..... Do you guys remember when Tom Brady won MVP for his incredile audibles in 2007? But here’s my best attempt: I think it’s a flaccid, meaningless meme that people have desperately created to try to invalidate Schaub. It’s untrue, first and foremost (he can absolutely switch to a play if the defense shows him something); and it’s in no way a reflection on him but more on the precise nature of Kubiak’s offense which, last time I checked, was pretty darn effective. Kubiak runs a system, all players all working together. A big part of that is personnel grouping, so it’s hard to radically change that at the line of scrimmage. Guys are in for a very specific reason. It’s nothing like what Manning or Brady run. My guess – and it’s only a guess, same as you – is that if asked, Schaub could absolutely, positively do what those guys do, in terms of reacting to a defense at the line of scrimmage and calling a play. There is nothing to suggest he’s not smart enough or competent enough to do so. Kubiak has the largest, most complex playcalling menu in the league and Schaub has absorbed it and knows the system inside and out. To “yeah but” him because he doesn’t audible is scraping the bottom of large barrel of stupid. You still have no idea what this is, do you? Or why it’s an important measurement of your QB?
I am very appreciative of Matt Schaub... Hell, he rescued us from the **** filled basement we dwelled in. Now were in the living room, trying desperately to get to the penthouse. I just don't think he can accomplish that feat.
That's a lot of words to say Schaub isn't Brady, Rogers, Manning, Manning, Big Ben (when healthy). I don't think many thought he was, despite this thread. He's been solidly entrenched in the Romo, Rivers, Flacco, Ryan camp for a while now, and that's where he and all the others will stay until they prove otherwise. Not proving otherwise once or twice doesn't mean they can't. For every Green Bay/Patriots disaster, Schaub has a Detroit or Jacksonville game. The later two teams aren't as good, of course, but that seems to play out to me more in the sense that they just don't make the mistakes when they have the ball that would allow the other team to make the required comebacks. This past MNF game is a great example of over-complicating the Schaub analysis. There were plenty of things wrong with the team. Schaub was one of them, but by far the only one. The o-line was horrible. The defense was horrible. Stupid penalty on the very first play of the game. They were overexcited, and in some areas overmatched. But it's a game of momentum. Failing to recover a fumble. Throwing an interception where a dump down might have got you the touchdown. It's a 14 point swing. I take nothing from this game that I didn't already know. The Texans still get too amped up. This is good that they've gone through this. The o-line needs to play perfect. Coaching needs to be a lot better against good teams. The specific injuries in this game really hurt the coaching and scheme. The Texans need to secure home field advantage throughout the playoffs. If they do so, I won't be surprised if they lose to anyone, but I also still have every right to expect them to win, even if against the Pats in the AFC championship game.
basically, he's saying because we don't have Manning or Brady we should just concede in the playoffs. but if both are elite how can both NOT win a Super Bowl? mind assplode.
I say we lease the team to Tennessee until we get a superstar QB that would lead us to 13-0 instead of 11-2. ****ING BUNCH OF LOSERS THIS TEAM IS.
You're really pointing to the one poor game that Peyton played, despite having over a 95 rating....in a game where the Broncos were winning 26-7 with 5 min left to play, on the road, against a division rival? If that's you're argument, then I feel pretty good about my stance.
everyone is harping on ubigred and while i get it, i def get his point too and don't really see how anyone can refute. just look at the past 20+ years of superbowl chapmions and find me the teams that did not have HOF caliber qb's leading the way... dilfer (behind one of the greatest d's of all time) and brad johnson and that's it. 90% of super bowl champions had an "elite" qb under center. does that mean you absolutely must have one to win? technically no, it doesn't... but you're squarely behind the 8ball w/o one. i think we all agree schaub is a good qb but history is very, very, VERY unkind to teams w/o one. you can throw out all the stats you want but the facts are the facts. what does that mean for the Texans? nothing, really... schaub is going to be our guy for the foreseeable future so all we can do is get our D back to the level it was playing earlier this year and last and hope we have another ravens or bucaneers on our hands.
The issue, for me, is that the vast majority of those guys were not "elite" when they won it the first time. I mean, who was Tom Brady in 2001? Or Kurt Warner in 1999? Eli Manning had name recognition - but his numbers were *not* elite - and no one gave him a chance to unseat the "elite" Brady in '07. Did anyone consider Ben Roethlisberger "elite" before he won it? His QBR in '08 was 80. Brees and Rodgers had impressive but short resumes - I'd argue their SB victories, more or less, cemented their elite status; same with Warner, Brady, Eli and Ben. The only QB (off the top of my head) who arrived at the SB as a fully-formed, certified elite signal caller (since Elway) was PeePee. IOW, "elite" tends to be retroactive. If Schaub plays well and the Texans win a SB, he's elite. Period. He has the numbers, he'd have the ring. Right now, he's an unknown - big numbers, no signature wins. It's fair to have doubts; I guess, in the interim, it's fair to judge him harsher in "big" games... but he's never started a playoff game. If he gets hot and carries this team...
Until Matt Schaub wins a Superbowl with a great defense or not I will not call him elite period. That's the standard I hold him and THIS team up to. It's not hate. This team could be something special and I'm tired of excuses from folks who I think just feel sorry for the guy. It's the aw shucks, good job, good effort effect of having a **** football team for a decade. Win a Superbowl Matt. I wish you every lucky bounce and Good field position in the world.
can't really argue w that logic... i just want him to show us something when the lights are on. it'd be one thing to just lose a big game but to get so thoroughly dismantled is gut wrenching. i'm pretty confident that we bounce back strong to close out the season, though and hopefully we can carry a hot hand into the playoffs.
