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[Official] Texans @ Patriots

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. plates300

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    They do it plenty on two minute drills and they have done it in the past when there was no running game. On a side note, where were our tight ends in the game? Casey? Daniels? Schaub is a decent qb but he really just goes into the fetal position when it comes to primetime.
     
  2. ubigred

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    Much of the anger doesn't come from the loss in itself, but how they lost. The games weren't even competitive. Plus, the Patriots and Packers are not even good defensive teams.
     
  3. plates300

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    Patriots played man all night, loaded the box, and dared Schaub to throw. And Schaub failed miserably.
     
  4. plates300

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    this right here. everyone knows their secondary is much more suspect than the Texans, yet they could only put 7 on the board. They have a good D line but is it that much better than our O-line? It's one thing to play competitive and it's another thing to get absolutely humiliated on primetime repeatedly.
     
  5. ItsMyFault

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    Exactly. I wasn't expecting the Texans to win, I predicted the Pats to win 28-24. But, it's really all about how poorly they performed. Surprisingly enough, I thought the defense would suffer more than the offense, but it seemed the other way around for most of the game.
     
  6. TheChosen01

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    I don't think Texans are superbowl contenders. I personally predict that they will lose in their first playoff game and if they get lucky, their 2nd.

    Part of it is because I don't think Schaub is an elite QB, probably not even top 10. He is dependent on getting the run game going. He is not like Brady, Manning, etc. in a sense that even when the defense knows he is going to throw it, he is going to make plays. He needs the run to be set up in order to pass the ball well due to play action and the defense focusing on the run game.

    The other part is because of injuries such as the injury to Brian Cushing. He is a key part of the defense, not as key as Watt, but the next biggest key.

    I'm not a Texans fan for the record, but I did cheer for them tonight.
     
  7. ubigred

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    Not sure about the plenty part. I will say this to your point, if its in a 2 minute drill ,more than likely the defense is in a prevent defense. Then once they get into the redzone, its "the Texans will settle for a field goal."
     
  8. ItsMyFault

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    The Schaub thing is inaccurate. He isn't dependent on that at all. Did you miss the 2009 season when he threw for close to 5000 yds and didn't have much of a running game with Slaton sucking it up and Foster barely known to this team? I think Kubiak's obsession about forcing the run game at times has made this offense so conservative that they don't even take shots towards AJ anymore when he has 1 on 1 coverage.
     
  9. The Cat

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    Bottom line for the Texans is that it comes down to balance - or at least the appearance of. In both the New England and Green Bay games, we spotted the opponent 14 to 21 points through stupid and self-inflicted errors. When that happens and you go down that much, the playaction stops being as effective and the Texans just don't have the weapons to compete in a spread game. Easy to get out of hand when that happens. Everything about this offense is built around rhythm and unpredictability, and we pretty much threw that out the window tonight. Especially on the road, that leads to disaster.
     
  10. plates300

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    can't argue with that. The offense this year has been so inconsistent compared to last year. Is it the O-line? It was almost guaranteed that we would score on our first drive last year and this year, it seems like an almost guaranteed punt. We were able to sustain drives last year thus keeping the defense well rested. This year, there seems to be a lot of stalled drives and playing from behind when we match up with the big boys.
     
  11. Chef_Monteur

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    The sad part is that we could have had Manning, if we didn't sign Foster to that horrendous contract that will probably come back to bite us in the ass.

    Peyton had Houston as his number one on his offseason wish list. Instead, we let the Broncos get him and now it looks more and more like a dumb decision. You simply cannot win in the NFL without an elite QB and Schaub has never been elite nor will he ever be elite.
     
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    Early December game against the defending AFC champs and Schaub looked bad. Several bad reads, almost like he tried to do too much. Many bad throws/reads and key times, again pressing it seems. The Foster check down would have been at minimum a 1st down and goal if not possible TD. The 4th down was late and behind. Overall, passes were high, behind, late, you name it threw it badly.

    Don't you wonder how Schaub would play in playoff game or even the SB?!?!?! Schaub has not QB'ed a win or go home game. Not gonna lie, this worries me.

    Since we have already clinched playoffs he'll get his chance. Playoff game #1 for Schaub will surely be interesting. For now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    Thank you. I hate when people try to pull out that argument. They don't realize how many yards Schaub has thrown for in some seasons.
     
  14. ubigred

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    2009 - 4700 yards
     
  15. ItsMyFault

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    Yeah close enough. Lead the league though.
     
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    The Peyton thing is stupid, too. Why would you tear down a great offense you've built over five to six years for a one to two year rental? Kubiak knows more about quarterbacking than anyone on this board. If he did not think Peyton Manning was worth the gamble over his system and Matt Schaub (who probably knows his system better than anyone not named Mike Shannahan), then every Texans fan should accept that.
     
  17. TheChosen01

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    Foster is incredibly overrated to me too. He is the very definition of a system RB. Houston's line has declined and gotten much worse this season and Foster's averages have taken a hit along with it.

    The reason why Foster's yards look good is because Houston pounds the ball to him to death. His averages and average per carry is nothing to write him about. He is average when it comes to everything physically, speed, quickness, strength, etc.

    AJ was at the top of his game then, he has clearly declined since although he is still elite. It's not a very good example either considering how Houston missed the playoffs that season.
     
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    Andre is playing some of the best football of his career these last four games. I don't think we can truly know that he's declined. He's just been injured so much.
     
  19. Chef_Monteur

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    The bottom line is that when you have a chance to get an elite, HOF quaterback who may go down as one of the best ever, you jump on it. You don't hesistate and question whether he will fit the system, an elite QB fits any system. Peyton has adapted well to Denvers system and they run the ball a lot more than Peyton did at Indianapolis.

    Fact is, you don't win SB's anymore without an elite QB. Its sort of like trying to win an NBA championship without a top 3 player, sure it can happen and it has happened but only once or twice every couple of decades.
     
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    QFT. Absolutely correct. I thought they should have been more serious about Manning back in March.
     

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