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[ClutchFans] Jeremy Lin after playing just 18 minutes vs. Mavericks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Rockets12

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    It's New York.....they were mad since they lost Lin.
     
  2. glacier921

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    I'm not saying I want to "help" the Lakers. I'm trying to get inside Mitch Kupchek's head, and McHale's head. I still think Morey wants to keep Lin. It makes sense for both sides. Lakers need a quarterback because Nash is out. Rockets coaching staff wants to get rid of Lin, ala, Portland and Dallas game. Rockets gets Gasol, which is good, from the point of view of the coaching staff in Houston. I think it's the trade that makes the most sense for both sides. Speculating on an outcome doesn't really meant that I want to "help" the Lakers.
     
  3. glacier921

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    Hey, I'll admit to you guys right now that I don't stick to one team for all my sports. I'm here in the Bay area, and the only team I really am loyal to is the Oakland Raiders and 49ers. I live closer to Oakland btw. I'm not even a warriors fan. I'm a players fan. I was pissed when the 49ers traded away Montana, and when Montana played against the SF in his Kansas city uniform, I was rooting for Kansas city. I'm sorry, but dissing your best quarterback EVER was not right.
     
  4. Rockets12

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    Who cares what the coaching staff wants? It's not like they are the best coaching staff that would make Morey/Les do anything to make them happy. they are not going to trade two young players in Asik and Lin (assuming Asik is still included) for an aging and declining Gasol.
     
  5. glacier921

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    Could be. It just looks so WEIRD that they benched both Asik and Lin. Anyways, it's only speculation. Time will tell.
     
  6. seahawk

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    Is Sampson a better coach than McHale?
    I know both of them are not good coach.
     
  7. apollo33

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    what the hell are you posting in this entire thread, I'm convinced now you are just trolling with the whole Lin to Lakers thing now.

    Why would we give up Asik whos like the second best player on the team this year, Why would Lakers want to pay 30 million dollars for a backup pg, why would they even want a defensive center when they already have Howard.
     
  8. SugarLandDream8

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    You been winning about Lin and Yao before him since basically you joined this site in 2001. Then you cry it was different before Lin. When in your time as a member of clutch has it been "different"?

    It's clear you don't like the 2 Asian dudes who played for us (Yao and Lin) but no need to write dumb comments. It's clear why clutch put up the video. Members of this site care and also Lin gives interviews in the locker room.
     
  9. SugarLandDream8

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    This is why benching Lin made no sense. Douglas got torched.
     
  10. ERC

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    Lin getting benched doesn't mean the coaches want to get rid of him. Who's gonna be back up PG when Harden's off the court? And don't say Douglas - he's only playing well now as a SG since he's almost always on the floor with Harden. Surely no one has forgotten those preseason games when Douglas played PG and was making Machado looking like ROY candidate when he played?

    At the present, stats showed Harden is more effective without Lin on the court (because 1. Teams don't respect Lin's perimeter shots & 2. They both need the ball to be effective). TD complements Harden better now because he spaces the floor and is a better spot up shooter, that's all. Once Lin gets his shots back, things will be different.
     
  11. ERC

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    +1. Well said.
     
  12. ERC

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    And your statement is based on...? Lin himself said in an interview that McHale texted him after every game when he was in MN with his family, and also that McHale is almost like a father figure to him because no head coach has ever done that for him. In one of the very early games (DET? ATL?), Lin was elbowed on the throat by his defender. Jonathan Feigen tweeted that Sampson literally flew out of his seat to check on Lin. That sounded like hate to you?

    Asik sat out the entire 4Q against the Mavs too, I'm guessing he is also hated then? :rolleyes:
     
  13. kastuul

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    People ignore the fact.

    Toney Douglus won't be a Rocket next year.
    His current salary is paid by the Knicks in the Cumby's trade.

    The Couching staff must find a way to play Lin and Harden together.

    It's OK to lose some games because this team is rebuilding and can go for lottery.
     
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    Haha Cumby and Couching. I need some of that right now.
     
  15. glacier921

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    Judging by how Sampson benched him in Portland w/ 11 pts, 11 dimes. Judging by how Sampson always gives credit to everyone else except Lin during post game, though Lin did pretty darn well. Judging by the inexplicable benching of Lin in the Dallas game. Yup, do well, bench him. The notion of hate is certainly pointing in that direction. What you said maybe true, but I personally didn't see it. I based on what you and I see on CSN. However, what you said could easily be public relations imagery that every organizations try to project. You seriously think that when Melo said he had no problems w/ Mike D and they got along, he was telling the truth?
     
  16. glacier921

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    The thing is, Lin probably won't be a backup pg. Nash is out. We don't know when. And even if he does come back, they risk him getting injured again. Kobe needs a QB now. He's aging. D Howard has only 1 year left (I think?). They need a QB for their offense now. Asik might go to the Lakers because when D Howard sits, the rebounding doesn't stop. BTW, it's 25 million remember?

    To your point about why I'm posting on this thread. Well, I'll tell you. I've been an on and off Rockets fan since 1994. Hated the Knicks, so I was just rooting for the opposite of Knick that year. Rockets won. Awesome. Following year, didn't really care about any teams until I saw the Rockets beat the Suns. That was awesome. I was sold. After those years, they got boring. When Yao came, I followed the Rockets throughout his career. I believe that I missed at most 8 games from Yao's career. I wanted to stop buying NBA LP for last year, but Lin came along, bought NBA LP again. Now, ironically, he's back with the Rockets! I guess the Rockets organization will always bring me back no matter what. If something happens a couple of years down the road, I bet you the Rockets will bring me back again.
     
  17. glacier921

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    Your make valid points, but sadly, you don't speak for the Rockets organization and neither do I. We're not in the front office. You have your observations, I have mine. I'm just saying what I am seeing. What I am seeing is that the Rockets, as idiotic as it may seem, appears to be trying out Douglas more. They did it in Portland, and now they do it in Dallas. They tried to increase way more minutes for Douglas. They were willing to risk the game for Douglas. You also notice that Lin is the first to go amongst all starters and last to come back. Sure, it's good for his physical health, but to me, it looks like a sign of disrespect. If a coach really values you, he doesn't sit you down because he's concerned about your health, especially since the Rockets doesn't seem to care about Harden or Parsons health based on their minutes. No, they ride you just to make sure they win. They would take them to the brink most of the time.

    To me, it's clearly a spit in the face. Sure, I support Lin strongly. You can accuse me of being LOF. But you have to admit, I am making solid observations. Perhaps hate is a strong word. However, I think that the coaching staff lacks "confidence" in Lin is also too diluted a word.
     
  18. ERC

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    Hmm... The quote about McHale came from Lin, who we know is always genuine. You don't see him praising Woodson like that. As for Sampson, he did praise Lin several times I can recall ("His decision making was outstanding" came to mind.)

    As for Lin being benched, it's cuz Douglas complements Harden better right now. Stats showed Harden plays better with Lin on the bench. Without a consistent shot, teams are not respecting Lin on the perimeters, making the paint very packed. TD & Delfino space the floor for Harden.

    Call me a crazy optimist if you want, but I do think the coaches like him. At the very minimum, they know Lin is way better than their next option, Douglas. Coaches want to win (esp. Someone like Sampson who probably wants to become head coach of a team someday), no sane coach is going to bench Lin just because they don't like him. We know now that Woodsen doesn't really like Lin, but he still started him last year, because he knows Lin is way better than Douglas and Bibby. Same reason.

    Once Lin's shot returns, things will get better. My 2 cents. :)
     
  19. ERC

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    We can disagree; we are obviously entitled to our own opinion. :) I am a huge fan of Lin too and want to see him succeed. But stats don't lie. Harden IS more effective with Douglas than with Lin. As a matter of fact, Lin actually has the 2nd lowest +/- stats right now on the team (-36), just above Patterson. I don't think Lin's benched for Douglas; he's benched so Harden can score. And until Lin becomes an offensive threat again, you can't really blame the coach's decision.

    If you can re-watch the Mavs game, take a look at the Mav's defense during 3Q & 4Q. Huge difference. They played zone defense in 3Q when Lin played, never bother defending him on the perimeter. Fans are all like, "Lin needs to attack the rim". Well, can't do that if there's no room and no efficient PnR bigs.

    I don't know how to copy tweets, but if you check out Jason Friedman's tweets, he said pretty much the same thing to some fan.

    Again, just my 2 cents FWIW.
     
  20. adamzee

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    it's now very clear the coaches don't think highly of asik and lin.

    rick bucher recently tweeted mchale was not fond of lin from the start.

    might as well trade them both. do it morey.
     

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