ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 12/8/2012

Maybe he's not clueless after all. Actually though I think he's both clueless and consumed with irrational hate (like all haters).

 

I was wrong about the coaches - they're not haters. They are however completely clueless and country ox stupid.

 

Give it up buddy. You've been exposed and your rhetoric rings hollow.

Trash your preconceived notions, they are faulty.
Re-assess Lin for the player he is today and it'll be easier to understand what is happening with him at the moment. It's really not that perplexing and contrary to your current belief, it is NOT everybody elses fault.

 

Hate and fear are two of the strongest motivators. These useless emotions are usually generated because of inferiority complex.

Give him a break.

 

I don't know if I'd agreed with that statement. I agree that TD spaces the floor better than Lin currently does (given Lin's shooting slump) but I'd think Delfino is the one who changes the flow. The reason it appeared TD changed the flow was because: a) most times Delfino was also on the floor and b) it put the ball back in Harden's hands and c) the spacing they created gave Harden more room to score/draw fouls.

Not a knock on TD; he played well but wasn't a game changer IMO. My 2-cents.

 

Sorry buddy, that wasn't me. I have had no discussion about Lin getiing around screens.
Try again.

I give you the same challenge I gave your cohort: show where I have demonstrated any "hatred for Lin."
Accusations are easy to lob but harder to prove.

I made excuses for no one. I simply stated the facts. Douglas was picked.
Do you deny that?

Is your argument that Douglas wasn't held on that pick for the three-pointer?
Are you saying he was just lazy fighting through it?
The tapes says different as did the entire broadcasting crew. Perhaps they are all Lin haters too, as well as the camera.
With regards to the Mayo layup, that was just poor defense by the entire team, Douglas included. Mayo went the length of the floor, past every Rocket defender, and that is inexcusable.
The other play I was referring to was Mayo's previous shot when Douglas was again picked off and Delfino chose to switch and Mayo scored on him.
Prior to that Mayo had scored only 6 points since Douglas was put on him.

I know you all want to hate Tony Douglas. I also know why.
But if you are honest with yourselves you will realize that reality just doesn't support it.

Now you can continue as kids with your name calling, or you can attempt to be men and dare to refute the facts.
Your choice.

 

You've gone to quoting yourself?
I'm done.

 

Right, Lin doesn't fit in the current system. Now it is hard for Rockets to trade him now.

 

Hmm what teams would take an overhyped, overpaid 8M/yr benchwarmer PG... ship him out to GSW for a pick? Think the Bay Area has a lot of asian fans.

 

What the hell are you talking about? He is not "weak and afraid". He is playing the way he is because the coach are just itching to bench him for the flimsiest of reasons. Have you even watched the game? He sat on the bench pretty much the entire game for some reason.

So how can he "Raymond Felton" 25 shots, when everytime he misses he is benched? And making Harden the PG does not help matters either.

 

Shut your mouth, you disrespectful hater. There is no need to tear down on somebody just because you want to build up somebody. And Jeremy Lin is no bench warmer, he is just being set up to fail by the coaching staff.

 

And why do you have his name in your screenname? Did you set up this account just to troll Jeremy Lin fans? What a weird and sad hobby you have there .

 

And why did you put his name into your screenname? Did you create this account just to troll Jeremy Lin fans? What a weird and sad hobby you have there .

 

I said this before, I think Jlin and Asik will be traded. The rumors are, maybe for Pau Gasol. It makes sense for Rockets traditional good big man, good guard combo that Rockets have always had. It makes sense for the Lakers to get JLin. They don't need another good shooter, but great quarterbacking. Lin's passes are the best I have seen. Shooting, not so good. Mike D wants him. Nash is out with injury, never knowing when he'll come back. Rockets gets a traditional talented big man, a supposed superstar guard in Harden. Lakers are 9-11 with D Howard and Kobe, and the Lakers need a quarterback NOW! Lakers want to get rid of Gasol, they don't want to pay him 19 mil for the next 2 years. Morey is desperate for a great year this year, so he pays 80 mil for harden that might not turn out so well. We'll see though. I see a trade coming, but that's only speculation.

 

So after all the stats you still stick to your opinion? Well, that is fine. It's a free country. But just don't try to pass off your opinion as objective analysis because you are not being "objective".

 

You can be happy for TD, but it's disastrous the coaching staff keeps playing TD. It's not only that he can't play PG, can't run an offense (offense just becomes Harden ball or TD chuck a 3 or floater, or pass to Delfino to create something or chuck up a shot), shoots inconsistently, plays wave hand madly but low efficiency defense, and all the faults we can see simply, it's just that he's never improved since he entered the league (4th season now), and even if he shot well he is still a liability on both offense and defense and doesn't really make the team better.

On his best day, he's just hitting a few shots as a streaky shooter and is able to gamble his way into a couple of steals, and passes the ball adequately (but mostly without plan) for a couple of assists. On his bad days, he still runs fast (but aimlessly) and waves his hands around madly.

And did I mention he hasnt improved since he entered the league, and on his best days he would be a situational 3rd PG on a bad team at best?

Yes Toney Douglas may be a better 'immediate' fit next to Iso-PG Harden, but what upside is ther in playing him when the Rockets aren't anywhere near in position to contend?

Toney Douglas will not be a Rocket either after the trade deadline or after his final year paid-for contract runs out. And most likely he will be out of this league.

So why in the world are we playing him any more than absolutely necessary?

On an aside, I can understand not yet playing Jones and DMo, but Greg Smith After his breakout game against the Lakers get a leash as short as this?

I'm concerned that McHale is actually every bit the eye-test coach/talent evaluator that doesnt fit with Morey's money ball philosophy. Prefer Aldrich for his height (McHale did he on several occasions he wanted 'height'), and TD for his hand waving defense. It's a joke to say he wanted Douglas because he runs faster up court, when Lin could pass the ball up even faster and has thrown so many up court assists this year leading directly to dunks, lay-ups or fouls at the rim.

It is also a joke by now on both stats and eye-tests that people would think TD would be a better defender that Lin. Not true against Lillard, and certainly not going to be true against Mayo with the height discrepancy relative to Lin.

TD will most likely be out of the league when this contract runs out. The Rockets have no long term plans for him. He hasnt improved since entering the league, and isnt very good on his best days Just play him the minimal he needs to play. What is So hard to understand about that?

 

There is nothing wrong with being disappointed if he had played a bad game. Jeremy Lin is his own worst critic. But the stuff you wrote was over the top negative, even when Jeremy Lin did not really stink up the joint.

 

Because they want to trade Lin and Asik. Probably to the Lakers for Gasol.

 

let's all collectively dismiss this ridiculous idea that lin and asik are being traded. if you are trying to trade players why would you bench them? wouldn't that bring down their trade value? instead if you wanted to trade a player wouldn't you give them lots of minutes and try to boost their stats?

 

wow! Seriously Jeremy and Asik going to the lakers for Pau....F me sideways...that would be an incredible trade if it happens.

Could well be a double edged sword for Jeremy if he goes, yes he has Mike Dantoni's plays, but he'll have Kobe on his ass when he shoots 2-9 and gets his dribble swiped, that will be hard to recover from, I don't think anyone at the rockets give him a hard time at Houston.