Was thinking the same thing and VY isn't even in the same stratosphere as Luck and RGIII from an NFL QB point of view.
RG3 has 100+ qbr. Think about that. VY did have a game where he almost threw 50 times and he got 400 years. Throwing the ball 8 million times doesn't mean you are a good qb. Luck is OK this year. The chance of he or rg3 reaching peyton level is small since peyton is one the 5 best qbs of all time.
It's impossible to predict how much each guy improves during their career. Luck will undoubtedly tighten up his accuracy and his completion percentage will go up and the INTs will go down. Having to play gunslinger as a rookie is a huge burden. While RG3 has a running game to help him, don't underestimate what he can do off the cuff. In game 4 against Tampa, his headset failed and he guided their offense 60 yards in 1:30 to a game-winning FG as time expired. Even more impressive was a totally ridiculous 80 yard drive against the Giants a few weeks back that would have been the drive of the season if Eli hadn't thrown a 75-yard game-winning TD immediately afterward. It's awesome to see greatness in these two guys as rookies. IMO, from stats and observation, RG3 has clearly been better so far. It's barely debatable. But the season isn't over yet and their careers are just getting started. Lastly, Russell Wilson doesn't have nearly the upside of these two. At the same time, it's too bad they overshadow him so much. But if the Seahawks make the playoffs and win a game, he'll be on everyone's radar. Air Langhi, completely agree with you. Both guys have a legit chance though. Neither will win 4 MVPs.
Not going to vote on the poll. A tie option would be best. Luck does some things better than RGIII, while RGIII does some things better than Luck. They're both pretty damn good. I wouldn't know who to pick if I had to choose 1 to start a franchise with.
Alex Smith also has a 100+ QBR. Alex Smith also has the highest completion % (70%). Look, if you watch Luck, he's already been given the responsibilities you give to a veteran (hence the high # of attempts). Obviously it doesn't tell how good/bad of a QB he is, but it tells how much he has to do for his team. He's making mistakes, but it's his rookie year. He's doing better in his rookie year if you compare him to Peyton Manning in his rookie year. PS - Vince Young's highest # of attempts in a season is 382. Andrew Luck already has more than that. Please do not compare him and Young in the same sentence. You'll be lucky if a coach asks Young to win you a game with his arm.
Obviously it's impossible to predict how their careers will go. A variety of factors will come into play (health, coaching, teammates...). But I watch Indy basically just give the full reins of the team to Luck from day 1. Like I said, that coaching staff is asking Luck to do what you ask a veteran QB to do. He's carrying as large of a burden as any QB in this league right now. And they're 8-4. And you're right, he's being used as a gunslinger right now. He nearly cost them the game today b/c of that.
Don't put alex smith and rg3 in the same sentence. When was the last time you see alex smith throw a pin point pass 40 yards down the field. I guess we will see who turns out better.
Luck's advantages: 1) Calling his own plays 2) Running the 2-minute drills 3) Being able to stand in the pocket and do what he does with a below average running game (#17th ranked, while Washington is #1). RG3's advantages: 1) More accuracy (but stats have shown the types of passes he throws aren't as difficult as Luck's). 2) Better runner Both are cluctch
I guess you didn't watch the Arizona game early this year when he passed 18-19 for 232 yards with 3 TDs and no interceptions ON THE ROAD.
I would agree with this. It's crazy looking at RGIII's TDs thrown log. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifRo01/touchdowns/passing/ So many deep ones.
But this year is not what will shape their careers. It's the jump you see in year 2 then year 3. But Russell Wilson is flying below the radar though. QBs are primarily judged by wins/losses and he's winning right now. He needs to get more publicity.
RG3 is also pretty good at the 2-minute drill. Luck doesn't have much of an edge, if any. On accuracy, my personal observation gives RG3 a big advantage. Luck just misses too many medium-range throws and often leaves me scratching my head about what happened. But his very heavy responsibilities have a lot to do with that. Probably no rookie in history was as prepared to be an NFL QB as Luck.
I think his heavy responsibilities have everything to do with that. Look at Alex Smith as an example. His completion % is the highest in the league. I would say that is most likely due to his lighter workload and plays that are catered to his strengths. You actually see the same thing with RG3 (and Wilson too). I don't know if you saw the first game of the season vs the Saints. 9 of RG3's first 11 passes didn't go pass 5 yards. But his workload has increased as expected. But nothing has compared to what Luck has to do as a rookie. He doesn't know all the defenses and their schemes. And yet his workload is what you expect of a Tom Brady/Peyton/Ryan/Brees (well he's throwing as much as they are). You shouldn't expect high accuracy and low INTs at the # of attempts Luck is throwing. Remember in Peyton's rookie year, he threw a lot too (575 passes), and he only completed 56% of his passes, very similar to Luck. And Peyton also threw a lot of INTs, like Luck. There's no question Luck's accuracy will improve tremendously as he gets more seasoned.
whoa -- hold on there. This is very far from the truth. I like RGIII I would just take Luck instead of him for all the reasons I mentioned.
You used to criticize VY a lot despite the fact that he was winning games due to poor QB ratings. Any reason why you take Luck above RG3 despite much poorer QB ratings? Just wondering.
I don't want to speak for bigtexxx, but in an earlier post he said the reason he'd prefer Luck is because RG3 is more likely to get concussions with all the hits he takes. A legit point. I really couldn't say at this point if I prefer one over the other. If I had to choose, I'd go with RG3 simply because I watched most of his career at Baylor and have seen more games from him as a pro. So I feel better picking a guy I have seen relatively more of.
If the season were to end today i would give the OROY award to RG3....if you ask me who i would draft to build my team I say Luck. Like others have mentioned....RG3 is too prone to injuries due to his style of play. Luck is the traditional pocket passer with above average mobility.
