Why is everyone against upgrading at PG (in the near future)?

PnR Handler:
Lin
0.75 PPP
Rank 50

Harden
1.08 PPP
Rank 3

 

what he said isnt bashing...

if an LOF like me said what he said I would be called out for making excuses for Lin...

to be honest id rather see Harden shooting the ball... in fact shooting even more


I just dont like seeing Lin run to the 3 point line to shoot a low% 3

especially so for Lin...

any Rox fan who is not a hater should want that too...

 

When I watch the games, I get the feeling the Rockets coaches are purposely putting Harden and Lin in such inefficient situations. This has gone on for a while now, and many people have pointed out even early in the season, including myself when I watch the games casually. If fans can figure it out, then the Rockets definitely know it. They have breakdowns of stats in ways we can't even fathom. Yet these plays continue.

So I have to think it's somewhat on purpose. The Rockets generally play a very smart, moneyball type of game, attacking the basket, shoot 3s, try to get in transition, etc. All aimed at getting high% shots. Perhaps they are trying to see how Harden reacts in iso situations, see if he can handle the double teams. See how well Lin plays off the ball. Our backcourt are 23 and 24 years old. There's no reason why they can't become more multidimensional through experience.

 

Off of the PNR what do those stats measure for? FGA? TO's? FT? or all three?

 

Those are the Synergy numbers right?

This isn't the data people are using to insist that Harden is better at the PnR as a playmaker, right?

Higher PPP as PnR handler means Harden is finishing at the rim more often. Not that he's getting other players good shots off his assists... People know this, right??

 

If it's point-per-possession, wouldn't it factor all of them? A TO would be 0. FTs would count as points, and a missed shot would be 0. I don't know why you'd be surprised at that stat. James Harden himself is mind numbingly good at scoring and getting to the line. And Lin so far has not shot well.

 

Yup!

^Someone who sees the big picture!

Their is nothing wrong developing young players on their weaknesses, and there is no better time to learn than RIGHTH NOW. Team isn't going anywhere this season. Let Lin learn how to be a spot up and Harden on playmaking. They might not like it now but they sure will appreciated in the future!

 

That is why I asked. If I am trying to find total pick-and-roll PPP (including both scoring and pass-out situations) where do I look? Does Synergy track that or not?

 

Typo. I wanted the data for pass out situations off of the PNR. And this isn't even about Lin or the Rockets matter of fact. This is bigger picture LOL. I just want to know if there is anywhere I can get information on this for any NBA player.

 

I think the Rox are looking 2 or 3 years down the line...

they want to turn Harden into the teams PG...

and Lin will be out of here if he dosent start to hit those 3s

 

where is Torocan when we need him.

 

LOHs aint going to let that happen...

 

From Synergy:
Out of the 63 PnR plays where Lin was the handler (i.e. finisher) - 20/45 FGs, 1/4 3Ps, 22.2% TOs, and 2 And1s. Rank 50th for all players who qualify.

This just reflects what we've seen for most of the season. When he tries to finish off a PnR, Lin has had a hard time finishing at the rim. NEWS FLASH: Lin hasn't been scoring efficiently.

However, I hope now people will stop using this as some kind of indicator for playmaking. It's purely about offensive efficiency.

 

You're interpreting this stat incorrectly. Assists at the rims are baskets that are field goals made near the rim, such as dunks, lay-ups or alley-oop plays. For instance if Jeremy tossed an alley-oop to Chandler who dunks it, that counts as an assist at the rim for Jeremy as opposed to Jeremy driving and getting to the rim and kicking it out to Chandler in the corner for a made three point shot. The latter is a 3pt shot assist or Assist+.

The reason why this is important is because assists at the rim are the most preferred because the shots they produce are the highest percentage shot in basketball. You want your play makers getting this best quality shot possible for every possession and thus assists at a rim is a good indicator for making high quality plays.

 

Per Synergy again:
Well PnR Roll men for Rockets: 109 possession, 1.04 PPP, scoring 52.3%. 11.9% TO. Rank 9th in the league. This includes all our rollers (PPatt, Asik, Motie, Jones, etc.) but I don't know if there is a way to parse out who made which passes to who (full Synergy subscription would allow it, I think?).

You could parse out the PPP for each Roll Man though.

 

The Hoopdata AST% you posted in the post I quoted is not calculated this way. I was just trying clarify things.

 

This might be a little bit off the topic but I'm curious to see how the Nash-Kobe backcourt will turn out.

Their situation is kind of similar with our backcourt. And no, I'm not saying Lin or Harden is on the level of Nash or Kobe, just comparing their situation.

Both Nash and Lin thrived in MDA's system. Both Kobe and Harden are SG with great play making skills. All of them are more effective with the ball in their hands.

As we've already seen, Nash's stat was even worse than Lin early in the season before his injury...Kobe has been the primary play maker lately and his assists increased a lot. It will be interesting to see how MDA use Nash and Kobe when Nash is back.

Maybe our coaching staff can take some notes if they turn out to mesh well.

 

http://3g.163.com/sports/12/1201/07/8HKDEA4I00051CA1.html

In chinese but google translate will do .said about Lin's practice on 3 pointer & penetration yesterday.

 

Interesting. Thanks Arthur. Don't know why I never thought to check the rollman statistics. How do I get the full synergy subscription? I am knew to Synergy & still feeling my way around there interface to be honest.

 

throw the max, throw the shoe deals, throw everything at him!!!