Florida Republicans come clean and admit to suppressing Dem votes

I get more fired up about the hysteria/end-of-civilization fright that gets expressed on these kinds of issues that the topic itself....

 

I don't care who they voted for. They aren't required to vote, but they should have that right. Trying to suppress that is wrong. I'm sorry that you feel that it's okay to try and keep blacks from voting, but that was what was attempted.

Are you arguing again that the suppression techniques weren't that effective?

Why? That isn't the key issue here. The key is issue is that one party tried to keep people of a certain race from being able to vote.

It's a sad day when you argue that it's okay. I'll pray for you, and seriously hope that you get better. Best of luck.

 

Yes, it is treason. Subverting our election process, the basis of our form of government, besides being treason, is also a form of terrorism, in my opinion. Our enemies would like nothing better than to screw up our government and have us fighting each other, instead of them.

Wake up and smell the coffee, man. This is a huge deal. If Democrats were doing what the Republican Party has been attempting to do the last several election cycles, subverting our electoral process, often with success, people like YOU would be screaming bloody murder and oiling up your arsenal, checking your supply of ammunition.

 

They do have the right to vote. They (everybody) had it for almost a month before the actual election day. As I pointed out in the article, the ambition was to curtail early voting which favors Democrats. That is what political operatives do.

Well, who won the election? How many votes were NOT cast due to this? You've built this monument on shifting sands of surmise.

There goal was to discourage Democratic voters who typically vote early. Is it really any different that the character assassination that each party pulls on the other candidate which is an effort to "steal" votes away from that candidate. It's a sordid process that we have allowed to develop.

The world is a dense mixture of grays-- not my black and your white.

 

The fact that their attempt to suppress the vote was recognized and other organizations were effective at combating it, doesn't change that it's wrong to try and suppress the vote of citizens based on their race.

The Republicans said it was to suppress the vote of black voters. That's what the people who made the law said. Why are you trying to argue something different and pretend it was Democrats in general?

You are seriously delusional. It has been admitted by Republicans. They wanted to prevent blacks from voting.

They used the system to rig it in their favor. That is different than character assassination.

You making excuses for the people who did this is disgusting, and sad.

 

We know the intent of the Republicans was to use the system to keep blacks from voting. The people got angry, activist groups and organizations called out for the folks to wait out the lines, and showed the attempt to suppress the vote backfired because they got angry. They fought back and won.

If a would be rapist tries to rape someone but the victim fights back and gets away, it doesn't mean the would-be rapist shouldn't be punished or anyone who complains about the potential rapist is just being hysterical and making a big deal out of nothing simply because the rapist didn't have a sure-fire plan to get away with his rape.

Stop making excuses because the Republicans plan was. They've admitted what their intent was. It isn't in doubt.

 

"... Crist said he was asked to curb early voting

Crist said party leaders approached him during his 2007-2011 gubernatorial term about changing early voting, in an effort to suppress Democrat turnout. Crist is now at odds with the GOP, since abandoning the party to run for U.S. Senate as an independent in 2010. He is rumored to be planning another run for governor, as a Democrat.

Crist said in a telephone interview this month that he did not recall conversations about early voting specifically targeting black voters "but it looked to me like that was what was being suggested. And I didn't want them to go there at all."

About inhibiting minority voters, Greer said:

'The sad thing about that is yes, there is prejudice and racism in the party but the real prevailing thought is that they don't think minorities will ever vote Republican,' he said. 'It's not really a broad-based racist issue. It's simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them.'"

Is Obama keeping a strong GOTV ground team in Ohio continuously since 2008 also "rigging the system?"

Add some gray to your palette, please.

 

Please read the original post which had this quote in it.

You keep ignoring that and excusing it. I'm not trying to be mean, but I seriously don't know how you can sleep at night.

I'm not saying that the GOP officials hate black people. I haven't said that. What I've said is the truth, and what you keep ignoring. They tried to suppress the vote of blacks.

They didn't do it because they hate black people, they did it because they knew the black people would vote Democratic.

But none of that changes the fact that they used the law as an attempt to keep black people from voting.

The quotes you posted about not believing blacks would vote Republican doesn't matter. They weren't looking for more Republican votes. They were looking for fewer Democratic votes.

Keeping a ground team in Ohio isn't the same as trying to keep people of a certain race from voting.

Add some truth and decency on this issue to your palette.

 

The law does not keep ANYONE from voting. There's a week worth of hours for a full month before Election Day to cast a vote.

 

Do you understand what suppression means? Your response has zero to do with suppression.

Suppression doesn't equal prohibition. Please get a clue. And for god's sake stop ignoring the fact that Republicans said they were trying to suppress the black vote.

That's what they said. It's wrong. Whether they were successful or not is only a secondary issue. Democrats didn't try and suppress the vote of people based on race. There is no equivalent thing that happened this election cycle.

 

He doesn't. I've never seen such an unintentional case of displaying cluelessness. texxx and basso display it all the time, but they are trying to do it, and are aware of what they are doing.

I believe giddy is completely serious, and has no clue about this issue, and is refusing to accept what the Republicans have already admitted.

 

Yeah, I get it.... but the law just limited Sunday voting, right? There were dozens of hours available in which to vote so it prevented NO ONE de facto from voting.

 

If a rapist attempts to rape someone, but the intended victim fights back and doesn't allow it to happen, does that mean we should not worry about locking the rapist up?

The only reason it didn't suppress the vote is because groups made known what the Republicans were doing, and got the word out on how to combat it.

Please check out some of the work people and guests on Melissa Harris-Perry's shows did to get the victims of attempted voter suppression out in force.

 

a couple of guys!

This was a law enacted, right?

They are doing what political operatives do. The work the system to get the most votes for their clients and, if they can, reduce votes for the opponent. They have done this through a legal means.

You just don't like their goals, period, and that is the basis of your protest.

I guess there is suppression and Suppression. Remember when AQ threatened to kill anyone with a purple finger in the first Iraqi free elelction... now that is Suppression!

 

Threatening to kill voters is indeed suppression, and doesn't change what was done here.

You're right. I don't like their goals. The fact that the goals of suppressing black voters is okay with you, is disgusting.

I'm tempted to end our conversation in this thread, because you aren't acknowledging what Republicans have admitted. Or if you do, you don't have a problem with it. which is despicable, and disgusting.

 

It does if Sunday is the only day you can vote. Some of these people, especially the elderly, may be unable to make it to polling places without assitance from their church. Just because it doesn't suppress YOU doesn't mean it's not suppression.

More to the point: why are we REDUCING the opportunity for Americans to vote? Shouldn't we, as believers in the electoral process, be seeking opportunities to EXPAND opportunity to vote?

 

Not if you are a Republican. The only way those guys are going to win with their current ideology and platform is to suppress as many Democrat voters as possible.

 

*sigh* I am afraid you are tilting at windmills on this (and other topics). Trying to debate right and wrong with someone with no sense of ethics nor integrity is a pointless debate.