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Obama Briefly Worried That His Unaccountable, Murderous Power Might Fall Into Republican Hands

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rtsy, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. okierock

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    So why the relentless bashing of rtsy in this thread by the Obama lovers?

    Is there no truth to the fact that Obama would hurry to restrict the powers of the scary GOP guy but have no urgency to restrict himself?

    If it is true, is it ok?
     
  2. QdoubleA

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    Dear Leader would never do anything wrong. If you do not like Dear Leaders regime you are free to exit the country.
     
  3. Anticope

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    Let me put it to you this way: Romney is Adolf Hitler, Obama is George Washington. Would you rather Hitler or Washington have this power?
     
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  5. Nook

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    Obama should not have that power.
     
  6. Nook

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    The bashing of Trashy is because he posts the same thing over and over after Romney pissed his bed. Obviously you are not aware of his prior posting history.
     
  7. rtsy

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    Can you show me one of my pro-Romney posts?
     
  8. okierock

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    Really, you are obviously an idiot.
     
  9. okierock

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    So, as a rule you attack anything presented by someone you have disagreed with? Hmm.
     
  10. thadeus

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    Ugh.

    Same old garbage. Some people may want to argue this based on constitutional grounds, but there's no good reason for any president, ever, to have this power. Not a single reason justifies this.

    Unfortunately, this thread just allows rtsy to continue his delusion that the only rational response to this sort of thing is for everyone to jump up and run around screaming OMG IS SOCLIZIASMS!!! NEEDS FREE MAKRETS TO FIX ALL THE WORLD AND MAKE LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMES!!!!!

    So, since rtsy insists on repeating himself, I'll just repeat myself: Most liberals (and even someone like me - I'm not liberal, but I often find myself forced to be anti-conservative, which appears like the same thing) do not agree with this, are aware that it's happening, and think it sucks.

    But what other option did reasonable people have? Voting for Ron Paul?

    In short rtsy, you need to drop this facade that you're at all concerned about these powers. You're just concerned that OMG OBAMA IS SOCIALISTSMS WHO STEAL MY FREE MARKETS!??!!

    I don't know if you're Pro-Romney ... but I know that your are rabidly, screamingly, fanatically Anti-Obama.
     
  11. rtsy

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    So Greenwald is writing about all of this for no reason.

    And you are saying he is wrong about this:

    "But this is, overwhelmingly, the warped and authoritarian sentiment that now prevails in the bulk of the Democratic Party and its self-identified "progressive" faction, just as it did in the GOP and its conservative wing for eight years."
     
  12. mc mark

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    So if BO was "briefly worried" does that mean he isn't worried anymore?
     
  13. thadeus

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    There are a few folks here who I feel would defend this. Some of them are defending it. But most of them are just messing with you because you are so rigidly attached to a very narrow ideology, and you can't seem to see beyond it. A big part of the problem with these threads is that you're the one starting them, and you go batty and get insulting as soon as someone disagrees with you.

    As far as Greenwald goes, I'm sure he's just as fallible as any other writer, and he may be surrounded by super-duper-partisan liberals who seem to support these sorts of things, or he may be doing the same thing you're doing - making strawman assumptions about the "other side" and then insisting that your assumptions are reality.

    At any rate, I am uninterested in being a liberal apologist as I don't consider myself part of that team except in limited circumstances. I know, as a rational observer, that the world is nowhere near as black-and-white as you insist with your foaming-at-the-mouth blah blahs.
     
  14. rtsy

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    Greenwald isn't making one-sided assumptions as he notes "the mindset that is so recognizable because it is also what drove Bush followers for years as they defended his seizures of unchecked authority and secrecy powers."

    The "bashing of rtsy" has nothing to with my world-view, or I wouldn't be branded a Romney supporter etc. Rather, it has more to do with the liberals own contradictions and hypocrisies being exposed.

    If you want to call a consistent view of protection for our natural rights, and against centralized power a "narrow view" that's fine by me. All you and the liberals really believe in is tyranny - if it's the kind that momentarily serves you best.
     
  15. thadeus

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    Alright then rtsy, this is a problem that needs a solution .... what's the solution? Or do you think pointing out the "hypocrisies of liberals" is its own solution and nothing more need be done?

    Are you against centralized power in all of its forms? What natural rights are you speaking about?
     
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    Because rtsy has posted other threads about this exact same topic numerous times, and only gets mad when people who support Obama speak out against these policies, but still believe that Romney wouldn't change them at all or enlarge the scope of the policies.

    It makes it appear like rtsy isn't as concerned with the policies themselves as he is with bashing Obama and his supporters.

    The only thing that says he isn't in a hurry to set down guidelines now was this.

    so it wasn't a statement by any official or anybody even sourced at all saying that it wasn't still on the agenda to set down guidelines.

    I don't have a problem with people discussing hypothetical situations but it's odd to have such an angry reaction over something that's already been discussed, and most people actually agree with rtsy. He just won't accept their agreement and posts threads about the exact same thing over and over.

    There are significant disagreements about whether or not the issue was applied in killing the known terrorist Awlaki who was in a combat zone and aligned with a military enemy of the United States even though he was a U.S. citizen. To me it isn't different than taking the lives of U.S. citizens who joined the Southern secessionists during the civil war. If you join an enemy that's declared war and taken military action against the U.S. government, there is a risk that you will be bombed and killed. That was the case with Awlaki.
     
  17. Codman

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    rtsy: Your posts and threads reek of desperation, depression and defeat.

    Even if you aren't pro-Romney, your attempts to develop any sort of decent conversation on this BBS related to your hatred of Obama and liberals can only be described as weak.

    Post something threadworthy and somewhat rational. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. I don't mind that you're a conservative, but I wish you wouldn't fall victim to posting with the same formula as Basso, easily the most ill-informed member of Clutchfans. The whole "Let me post a ridiculous article and bold the parts that are equally ridiculous and probably false" is nothing new. You can do better. Right?

    It's the holiday season. Spend some time with your family, and take a break from Bill, Rush, Sean and Ann. I promise it will do you some good.

    It's my hope that you can come to terms with the fact that your party lost the election, more than half of those who voted didn't fall for the blatant lies from your role models, and even though Barack is multiracial, he doesn't have intentions of starting Socialism, creating cults or destroying the land we, and hopefully you, all love.

    You are going to be okay, my friend...
     
  18. rtsy

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    Right now we should all be desperate to preserve our freedoms.

    "No person shall be . . . deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"

    But as Greenwald states, "all of that has been tossed aside in lieu of a deeply disturbing and unhealthy faith-based belief that our leader can make these determinations without the need for any such bothersome impediments."

    "Core principles disregarded in favor of leader-love". If Dems would have fought Obama like they did Bush on these same issues then you wouldn't have heard much from me (I'm still against Obamacare and Keynesian economics) but the hypocrisies from so-called progressives due to a cult-like devotion is what eats me up the most. (and the fact that hardly anyone will come clean about it)

    I don't have a party. I have already even said I would rather had Obama win than a fake Conservative like Romney.

    BTW, the article I posted if from a gay progressive who has the integrity to call it as it is. He had the exact same criticisms of Bush and his followers during his time in office.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Find one example of this hypocrisy of a liberal claiming drone strikes are illegal pre-2009 and now thinking they're just fine.

    just a single, solitary one.

    1.

    I'll help you out and show you every post I've ever made containing the word "drone"

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/search.php?searchid=306652&pp=25&page=2


    So you're done, and you can't, of course. So basically, what eats you up is a hypocrisy from so called progressives that you are unable to show actually exists.

    I'm guessing then, that what eats you up is probably something else. The fact that you are a very narrow-minded, easily upsettable person with various Royce White-ian personality disorders seems to me to be a more likely culprit for your unceasing font of singular rage....which wouldn't be so bad, if you weren't so stultifyingly BORING and uncreative in expressing it.
     
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  20. thadeus

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    rtsy, did you have an answer for these questions?
     

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