Florida Republicans come clean and admit to suppressing Dem votes

1) All forms of voter suppression is wrong and despicable ... and it happens on a wide scale.

2) Both parties are not beneath doing it.

3) Through history, we have had all kinds of ways to suppress voting, from excluding the poor, age, race and gender. A few people get together and manipulate early voting and its akin to treason??

Terrorism is tantamount to treason.

 

sad sad day for this country. All the conservatives on this board should be appalled, but we all know their going to try and justify it, or turn into ghosts around this thread.

 

Can you point to instances of Democrats trying to reduce voter turnout?

 

So you believe Dems are equally guilty in the despicable act of voter suppression? What is this "wider scale" you speak of?

Why can't you just admit what Florida Republicans did is reprehensible and blast them for it?

 

Here's a guy caught on video conspiring: http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/

Suppression? Taking away one option hardly makes one unlikely to vote unless one takes voting rights very casually.

1960: "Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes out of 4.75 million cast, or a margin of 0.2%.[29] However, Nixon carried 92 of the state's 101 counties, and Kennedy's victory in Illinois came from the city of Chicago, where Mayor Richard J. Daley held back much of Chicago's vote until the late morning hours of November 9. The efforts of Daley and the powerful Chicago Democratic organization gave Kennedy an extraordinary Cook County victory margin of 450,000 votes—more than 10% of Chicago's 1960 population of 3.55 million,[35] although Cook County also included many suburbs outside of Chicago's borders—thus barely overcoming the heavy Republican vote in the rest of Illinois. Earl Mazo, a reporter for the pro-Nixon New York Herald Tribune, investigated the voting in Chicago and claimed to have discovered sufficient evidence of vote fraud to prove that the state was stolen for Kennedy.[29]

In Texas, Kennedy defeated Nixon by a narrow 51% to 49% margin, or 46,000 votes.[29] Some Republicans argued that Johnson's formidable political machine had stolen enough votes in counties along the Mexican border to give Kennedy the victory. Kennedy's defenders, such as his speechwriter and special assistant Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., have argued that Kennedy's margin in Texas (46,000 votes) was simply too large for vote fraud to have been a decisive factor, although cases of voter fraud were discovered there. For example, Fannin County had only 4,895 registered voters, yet 6,138 votes were cast in that county, three-quarters for Kennedy.[28] In an Angelina County precinct, Kennedy received a higher number of votes than the total number of registered voters in the precinct.[28] When Republicans demanded a statewide recount, they learned that the state Board of Elections, whose members were all Democrats, had already certified Kennedy as the official winner in Texas.[28]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960

 

uhhhh I did. Did you not read the three simple sentences and instead reply with a canned response?

 

Taking away the option to vote the Sunday before election day removes the best voting option for many poor African Americans who have historically been bused from church to the polls after services are complete. This one option affects hundreds if not thousands of traditionally Democratic voters. These people hardly take voting "casually," and many of them would probably still vote. However, eliminating this option is specifically designed to try and suppress Democrat voting and is simply wrong.

If you have to go back to 1960 for evidence of Democratic voting shenanigans, you have effectively proven the point that others are making, which is that in recent history, it is the Republicans who are engaging in efforts to suppress votes while the Democrats are comparatively clean. Come back to me when you find evidence of a Democratic Secretary of State who changes voting rules in wealthy districts, but not in poor ones (see the Ohio SecState this year for context).

 

Unfortunately, one of your three sentences created a false equivalence between what Republicans tried to do this year in several states and the lack of anything similar done by Democrats this year.

 

giddy, Republicans admitted they were trying to suppress the vote. There is no doubt about it. Whether they used to most effective way to suppress the vote according to your ideas isn't really that important here.

What is important is that Republicans tried to suppress the vote of a certain race of people in order to change the outcome of the election. Posting something about Democrats 50 years ago doesn't make that okay.

 

Cheating and failing. Definitely the party of Karla and John Flopton. :grin:

(now *that* is some monkey poo flung!)

 

Poor people can't always afford to wait 8 hours in line to vote - generally eating and supporting family and not getting fired takes priority. It doesn't make them "casual voters".

Interesting and all, but nothing here suggests vote suppression. Fraud? Sure. But doing anything to reduce turnout? Not at all.

 

Hilarious.. Fox News has discussed non stop purported voter fraud and suppression pieces ever since Obama has been elected because their white viewership cannot accept America is not what they see in the mirror... Now it comes out Republicans are the ones involved... And the dillusions are so strong among the brain washed Foxophiles that all we get is "well both sides do it". A nice little convenient rationalization... If they fall for the Birther crap, Acorn crap, voter suppression and fraud crap and the polls mean nothing B.S, they will never change.. So Space Ghost, Trader George, Basshole and Trashy... Enjoy your Berkowitz like fantasy land and remember to follow the voices in fido's head.

 

having talked to some people who worked in the voting booths in Houston, I can guarantee you there were some very blatant voter fraud going on...and it wasn't on the republican side.

It's a shame but both sides are at fault. No matter how much that may hurt some of your feelings, it's true.

 

People you talked to who volunteered or worked at the voting locations isn't the same as Republican officials admitting an organized attempt at voter suppression based on race.

 

Exactly

 

Can YOU point to instances of Democrats trying to reduce voter turnout?

 

These we know of.

Anything, uh, lately?