Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit (neither is basketball analysis evidently). Read his post again.
Sorry, my bad. Read it again and my reading comprehension sucked. I still stand by what I said about his significant disappearance in the 3rd quarter. He went from scoring 13 points per quarter to 5. And this is while he was hot. I know I'm poking holes in a great game. He was unbelievable that game, but he did not assert himself in the second half like he did in the first. Star players would never let you forget who they are with a first half like Chandler had. What I'm saying is that is what is keeping him from being a star. He fades into the fabric of the game way too easily to be a star. I hope that changes and it certainly can because he's a 2nd year player, but he hasn't been the man for any entire game I've seen. I just want to see some of the qualities I see in a star before I anoint the man. I love him as a player. He's gifted. He's smart, but you have to do more than play awesome in one quarter to be a star. Being a star is about consistency. Don't forget Toney Douglas hit 9 threes in a game. He was hot, not a star. Why? Because he didn't do it again or even get close. Do it over and over and you are a star. That's all I'm going to say. That and there are 45 players in the league that score more points per game than Chandler. Many of which will never be stars. Do it over and over and you are a star. Hakeem did.
I re-watched the 3rd quarter. Parsons played 12 minutes, got 5 points and 2 assists. Rebounding doesn't matter here, because he already rebounds as well as many all-stars at the 3 position. 22 minutes in the first half with 26 points. (1.18 points per minute) 12 minutes in the second half with 5 points. (0.42 points per minute) The team scored 32 points and he played every minute of the 3rd quarter. That's 15% of the offense that quarter. Star players score and he scored 15% of the points in a quarter where he played every minute and he was on fire. To whoever talked about defense, yes, he played Carmelo quite well in the 3rd quarter. He allowed a few points, but could have allowed more. Don't forget that he also gave up a few (24, but not all on him) in the first half. This is how I feel now:
He is 3rd best sophomore by far. Maybe Rockets should stop chasing 1 more star and save salary cap. for him.
Really? I know you watch enough basketball to know there is an ebb and flow to a player scoring right? Just because a player averages 20 points a game does not mean he scores 5 points in every quarter, in fact that is almost never how that happens. How many points did LeBron score in the 1st half of the Rockets game a few games a go? How many points did he finish with? For that matter how many points did Carmelo score in the 3rd quarter last night? But of course if Chandler scores 5 points in every quarter this season he will average 20 points a game, that would certainly make him an all-star caliber player when coupled with his defense and all around game. Chandler was outstanding in the 3rd quarter and gave the Rockets exactly what they needed. Other players were scoring at a high rate so where was the need for Chandler to go into hero mode? It's not as if he took 7 shots and only made 2 of them. In the 1st quarter Melo was going off in a major way. Chandler went toe to toe with him in and were it not for Chandler we may have been behind by 10 points at the end of the 1st quarter instead of leading. Your claiming that Chandler did not have a good 2nd half holds no water and is just plain crazy. Furthermore your claim that his good defense should not be factored into the fact that he had a good 2nd half because stars play good defense is also crazy. Allow me to present exhibit A: Carmelo Anthony. Melo could not hold Chandlers jock strap on the defensive side of the floor and yet he is considered a superstar and most of us would agree. Kevin Durant is another so please do not act as if all stars play great defense just because they are stars because that is not true. Also you casually toss in the fact that Melo scored 24 in the 1st half and gloss over the fact that almost all of those points were scored while 2Pat, Mook and Cook were guarding him. Chandler's defense has been very good all year but in the last 2 games, including the 1st half of the Knicks game, Chandlers defense has been elite and spactacular. In conclusion, I don't think anyone is claiming Chandler is a superstar only that his star is rising and that he may in fact have all-star potential...maybe. Possibly even a 2nd scoring option if he can play the remainder of the year like he has played over the course of the last several games. Why in the world you are trying to grade him against standards that Superstars rarely even achive is beyond me. When a player goes off for 40 in a game or 31 in three quarters you don't go, "but he only scored 5 points in the 3rd quarter!! A-Ha! See not that good!" Out of place statements like that will only make you look like you don't even know the ball is round much less there is a game called basketball and I believe you are smarter than that. This is how I feel,
Dude.. You're cherry picking something that happens frequently amongst all great players. Even when playing in the 4th quarter as well. If Chandler only scored 5 points in the 2nd half off of 12 2nd half shot attempts then you might have a point. But instead he was 13 of 17 the whole game. An elite-esque stat line. You're highlighting all of the wrong areas and running with skewed and ridiculeous observations because of it.
Lebron, Melo, Kobe etc. have quiet quarters all the time... even when the team needs it (which we didn't).
I'm a big Parson's fan, but lets keep it in perspective. Everyone's high on Parsons and down on Lin lately. Consider that the Knicks were making sure Lin didn't have a good game against them, and that left the door open for Parsons. Right? Just thinking.
Crash and Tdash, Parsons is no all-star right now. He shows glimpses of the ability, but he isn't there yet. Crash, I never said he had a bad game or even a bad 3rd quarter. I said he disappeared. My basis for all of this is whether he is a star/all-star. Maybe your allstars score 30 points in a game every once in a while, but the ones I like do it every 2 or 3 games. They certainly average more than 20 ppg. This was his career high game and it could have been better if he was the star type of player that asserts himself. The discussion is about Chandler being a star (ie see the title of this bad boy) and I was discussing why this was one of the best games of Chandler's young career and why it's not a normal thing for him, but could be. Either way, Bruce Lee > your communist jacket wearing coffee drinking joe. And that's what this place is about. Sweet sweet photo threads.
Chandler Parsons is the black Mike Dunleavy Jr. Same size, 3 point range, point forward ability, Parsons is more athletic.
As others have said, Parsons is glue guy 2.0. He may have a couple of games here and there where he drops a 30 spot but its not going to be consistent. He's not going to be the next Larry or Scottie or even Detlef Schrempf. If he ends up living up to Gerald Wallace type player then he's going to be a solid piece for us. But, too much kneejerk in this thread so far.
Dunleavy is a better shooter though, better mechanics. Parsons is a jack of all trades type player, but he excels at nothing. Parsons does have a good head on his shoulders though, good competitive fire in his play at times. But he's a whirling dirvish on the court at times, no solid mechanics and very little fluidity to his game.
I don't know that I have read anywhere in this thread that Chandler was a star. The thread itself is not about what Chandler is but what his potential is. This was Chandlers best game so far and is not a normal thing for him. There is no debating that. The game against the Knicks is the only game to date that Chandler has ever imposed his will on the game and put the team on his back. Guys like Melo do it regularly which is why they are Superstars, not just all-stars. But it's unrealistic to even think those guys can keep up a torrid scoring pace like Chandler and Melo did in the 1st quarter for an entire game. Melo only scored 6 points in each of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. That's just how basketball goes. Chandler got 8 in the 2nd and 5 in the 3rd. That is even more impressive when you remember that James Harden is the teams number 1 option and not Chandler. Even James Harden who had a team high 33 points for that game and is clearly all-star quality only scored 3 points in the 3rd quarter, Also just to show how good Chandlers defense was, Melo was 10 of 14 shooting in the 1st and 4th quarter for a .710 FG% but in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when Chandler was guarding him he was only 4 for 10 for a .400 FG%. For the game Melo had a total of 7 turnovers, 5 of those came in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when Chandler was guarding him. I think those are eye popping defensive stats, particularly when you consider who Chandler was guarding. To say he dissapeared in the 2nd half is not an accurate statement and is the same thing as saying he was bad, to argue the point is just semantics. He took 4 shots in the 3rd quarter and made 2 of them which was a hell of a lot better than Anthony who took 7 shots and only made 2 of them because Chandler was a defense terror while guarding Anthony. You say if Chandler averages 20 points a game that does not make him an all-star quality player because your all-stars average more than 20 PPG. I think you need to re-evaluate what you consider to be an all-star. Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Rajon Rondo, Jason Kidd, Chauncy Billups, Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace.... All are recent all-stars that do not average 20 points a game. Some like Garnett and Duncan had a few seasons earlier in their careers averaging over 20 a game but it was marginal like 22 points a game etc... Some of those guys are going to the HOF once their careers are over. Dany Ainge, Maurice Cheeks, Magic Johnson, Bill Laimbeer, Scottie Pippen, Robert Parish etc... Are some of the many all-stars from the past that did not average 20 points a game. You say your all-stars score 30 points every 2 to 3 games? Who does that? Dream never did that. That type of offensive production only happens with the very best scorers in the Game like Melo, Durant. Even LeBron last season when he averaged 27 a game only scored 30 or more 11 times in 62 gamesor roughly 1 out of every 6 games. To put a finer point on it, I don't think any of us have even suggested that Chandlers ceiling is in the superstar category of Durant, Melo, LeBron etc.... We are just hoping that he can develop into an all-star type of player and possibly a legit 2nd or 3rd option to James Harden on the offensive end of the floor. If he ever starts averaging 20 points a game to go along with the type of defense he plays and the rest of his all-around game then he will be all-star quality. Please do not confuse all-star with superstar.
When did Dunleavy play defense? I do agree that offensively that is who he reminds me of. Parsons plays like a Dukie. He doesn't exhibit the personality to demand the ball enough to become a perennial all-star player.
