Who decides what criteria the doctor must use? It's not standards I have an issue with, it's standards imposed by force. legalzoom.com ftw
Read my last post addressed to you. Don't you realize that the cost of medical schools is directly attributed to the supply issue I discussed earlier? When you have virtually no new medical schools allowed and constraints on the supply of physicians, it drives up the prices of these institutions. This increases the loans and costs for the Doctors. The medical schools benefit from the lack of new ones being built and benefit from AMA policies in this regards.
Generally, medical practices proven to be effective by evidence based research in the field become the criteria that doctors use. They learn these practices in medical school and in the continuing education they are required to receive in order to maintain their license. All standards are ultimately "imposed by force." If you would like to live in a country where things are not "imposed by force" in one way or another, you will need to look for your Utopia somewhere else because EVERY government on the planet imposes certain things "by force." Get used to it. Yes, because a website containing basic legal information is a reasonable substitute for a licensed legal practitioner who has specialized in the area for which you need legal advice. You might as well said "webmd.com ftw" and you would have been exactly as [in]accurate.
Never said I had a problem with adding more schools, as long as their up to par I could not care less. "in 2006, the united states spent 2.1 trillion on healthcare...." "in 2006 physicians salaries added 60 billion" (you actually just said it's much more than this, but let's just stick with 60) According to the cdc in 2006 healthcare was 15% of the GDP. So according to your article physicians salaries are more than 5 percent of the US gdp???? Really?!?!?!?!
US GDP Is $13 Trillion. So $60 billion is less than half of 1%. That is the differential in salaries versus other comparable nations which is based on the lack of supply due to the constraints. Of the 15% of GDP spent on healthcare, 9% is individuals and 6% is actually government spending on consumer healthcare. What many of you med-students ( I imagine from the emotion in the argument) don't realize is the Medical Schools benefit from this as they inflate their prices and costs to you because there is not ample supply. Also acceptance rates have fallen because there is not enough schools due to AMA restrictions. Whether American Medical Association and their artificial constraints or the Corn Lobby and Ethanol mandates etc. I just despise governmental and regulatory issues that drive up prices to EVERY consumer in this country to subsidize a specific population. I like business that brings down prices for people as opposed to inflates it eating away at purchasing power and the ability for people to pay less for gas and healthcare etc to use that extra money to pay off debt or one day start a business and truly benefit our economy.
What? You are making no sense. If someone is sick to that point, yea the only way they could and should get treatment is through a doctor unless they have some exorcist out in the woods...but nobody is forced to. I don't know where you are getting that from or where your argument is going. I already painted it out, the reason they CAN'T get an antibiotic is for the rest of the public. These aren't medications meant to be thrown around over an amateur conclusion, because it reduces the effectiveness for people that actually need it. By going through what you are advocating you are infringing upon the rights of others. Not that hard to grasp. If you have a bacterial infection, you will get an antibiotic. How you would know that unless you goto a physician is beyond me. Most of the time someone has the flu or the cold they think they "need" antibiotics. No, but obviously the doctor wants you to get sicker so he has a lawsuit on his hands. I'm not going to argue this since it has little to do with the initial argument. In terms of public perception, Vets rank much higher than doctors. They are considered very honorable and don't have the negative view you described above, and for many reasons that is also true. You know how many vet schools there are in Texas? One: Texas A&M Don't make the argument that this is because of the fact there aren't that many people pursuing DVMs out there because Vet school is FAR more competitive than med school. Only about 200 students in the entire state of texas get accepted into vet school. Most people don't get accepted on their first, or their second try.
They shouldn't be, everything you posted above is factual. I don't see where the argument is coming from. The exceptions to this rule could be practicing microbiologists who have the knowledge and need to go get antibiotics from someone else.
You're average college graduate engineer will avg around 80K after graduating. Your avg resident that has gone through college and med school, while working around 90-100 hrs a week will be making 30K for 4 years. Doctors that do make a lot of money barely notice it since their lifestyle is already is so stressful.
I'm not suggesting you shouldn't see a licensed professional, only that it should be your choice. And the standards for licensing should not come from the state. Not true. Company I work for adheres to voluntary quality standards. It may be sufficient (and certainly cheaper) in some instances. I love how legalzoom has undermined the professional gatekeepers who proclaim we must go through them (for our own good of course). Frankly I'm curious how they are allowed to do what they do.
My math was off and I tap. I see what you are getting at, I just do not agree with a lot of the assumptions being made. I agree that healthcare should be affordable to every person and in making it so would help the economy. I gotta go study (arguing on clutchfans is killing my grades) Thank you for providing articles, sorry for being so dickish earlier.
Another atrocity is all the debt pilling up on these students. Qx2A, what kind of student loans are you facing? If it is the norm, that is just crushing. Because govt has stepped in and eliminated competition on student loans, you're given one choice. I'm paying ~2.4% interest on my student loans but I graduated in 2005. My wife, case in point, just graduated and is paying 6.6% interest. Limit the competition and thereby the supply, drive up the costs, increase the interest rates. Bankers and special interest again hurting everyone else. This is how income is distributed to the top .1%'ers through debt slavery.
There is a higher charge for service in us vs overseas because of technology. So we do have some sort of inflation going on but not to a crazy extent. Theres other factors
20 grand from undergrad, the one time cost of equipment is a few hundred bucks/ about 15 grand per year in tuition (we have about the cheapest tuition in the country, it is usually double that and there is a huge push from the higher ups to raise our tuition not because we're falling behind grade wise, we are absolutely killing it gradewise, but because they feel they need to keep up with the Jones'), add another couple of grand per year for mandatory health and malpractice insurance. Then you have room and board, food, gas, blah blah we average per student 37 thousand in loans per year. During 4th year you can easily add tens of thousands on top of that by traveling literally all over the country for interviews in the span of a few months. Loans are in the ballpark of 5-8 %. So I'm looking at being 150K in the hole when all is said and done (without interest). I want to do ped-oncology, so that's about 6 years extra training after school while making "chump change" (47-50K a year)...and I could not care less. This is all I've ever wanted to do, as I've said before, anybody who gets into medicine for the money is a dumb dumb. Congrats to your wife on finishing.
You are moving the first down marker. I do not think all doctors are evil or heartless. However I have had 100's of different doctor's work for me, and have discredited 100's of others. To portray all doctors as white as the driven snow is absurd. They are people, no better, no worse... Often times motivated by a strong fear of being sued (for good reason) and grabbing as much money as possible. People in positions of power tend to be in a position to exploit. As an attorney I see it all the time with my colleagues as well. My wife, a neurologist is disgusted by her own profession, to the point that she quit (fortunately I have been blessed to have no difficulty supporting her).
I will tell you that there are too many law schools today producing way too many lawyers. I have had a law practice to out of business because we could not generate enough of a client base to keep the doors open. I know many other lawyers that have faced the same fate. There are 3 law schools just in Houston producing over 700 lawyers a year. That is entirely too many. The result...you end up with people practicing law that probably shouldn't. I do not want medicine to face the same issue.
Doctors have this standard called reasonable standard of care. If they fail to exercise that standard of care, they can be sued and/or reprimanded by the board of medical examiners. As to your comment on standards, if they are not imposed by force, they are suggestions rather than standards. As for your comment on legal zoom, I can tell you that for many legal matters it is a bad idea. I have seen hundreds of bankruptcy cases filed pro we using legal zoom forms that went badly and left the person in a far worse position than they were in previously. Ay bankruptcy attorney would have prosecuted those cases very differently. There is also an ongoing argument whether legal zoom suggesting forms for people given their situation constitutes legal advice.
There are only 140 in the country you nitwit. Just because your anecdotal perspective see's 10 in Texas and another one being built in Austin that doesn't mean there are enough nationally you idiot. Ever think there is a world beyond your city or state?? There are less than the number of med schools 100 years ago and the rate of growth has been virtually flat for 30 years. They've finally this year permitted the building as we are in an extreme physician shortage.
