[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Well, what did the United Nations, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Time Magazine and the BBC say about Operation Cast Lead?

Battle of Jenin: about 75 people dead (about 25 of them Israeli)
Operation Cast Lead: about 1,450 (about 15 of them Israeli)

But yes, the fact that terrorists lied to their own public in the Battle of Jenin means HRW and Amnesty were right about Jenin and wrong about Cast Lead. No, it must mean that all Palestinians are liars? or should we assume that the events of Jenin are somehow more significant or important than the half dozen or more operations similar to Cast Lead which Israel has carried out? Hilariously illogical stuff.

You either believe these sources throughout or you don't. There's no picking and choosing when it suits you, regardless of which side your support.

If Amnesty and HRW and the UN are reliable sources in conflicts, then it is a totally different conflict, and two totally different sides we are talking about.

Incredible.

 

You think something is funny? *******. Now you're quoting yourself so you can show the same images that should have been spoilered the first time, without spoilering them, of course. Were it up to me, at the very least you'd get a negative rep for doing that, or worse. Lucky for you, it's not.

 

implying our media outlet isnt propaganda.

naive children pls

 

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I went and added spoilers to my posts at your rather rude request.

Strange thing is that you didn't get worked up and swear or curse at Mathloom when he posted unspoilered images of dead children...either you have a double standard or the fact that I exposed the propaganda lies from Hamas, who routinely use children as a tool to receive sympathy, is what upset you.

Either way, your response was uncalled for, immature and offensive.

Truth hurts, deal with it.

 

how do we know that the screenshots of facebook and twitter pages on the world wide web aren't fabricated themselves?

for instance, I don't see those photos on the hamas twitter page history.

don't fall victim to the very thing you are warning others about...

edit: I see UFC welterweight athlete @SiyarTheGreat has fallen victim to something fake he saw on the Internet.

 

Izakdavid bigger propoganda machine than Fox News.

 

This. The so-called lover of all kids..blah blah blah..

 

Thats going a bit too far. He has kids of his own, he probably understands more than a lot of people on here.

 

Common sense? It seems you dont know the definition of the term. I haven't posted any photos. They use fake photos because they're scumbags just like the Israelis. If your people were being embargoed, blockaded, force to live in apartheid, had drones flying over your air space night and day, you might do whatever you could to fight that or bring attention to it too.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Who said those organizations had the wrong numbers in Cast Lead? Go ahead and use the UN body counts every time (I wouldn't use their count of Palestinian refugees though, because for some reason the definition of refugee they use for Palestinians is different than that which they use for everyone else). I simply said it would be foolish to trust the Palestinians' casualty claims when they said there were 500 or more civilians killed in Jenin and the total Palestinian death toll of that "massacre" was about 10% of that, including the militants.

 

you used the pronoun 'we'. I reciprocated.

You are missing the point. IF there are so many dead children caused by Israelis then you wouldn't need fake photos. You would use real ones. Your jargon about blockades and such are not relevant.

 

If the initial war had happened about a hundred years ago there wouldn't be these little flareups of violence today.

 

Huh? He said the usual suspects, ie posters on this board, are silent about the pictures he posted. I said, we, after 1500 air strikes don't need to see any Facebook pictures to know there's been death and destruction. Then you say apparently we do need to see those pictures because its common sense that 1500 air strikes wouldn't cause death and destruction and that's why there are fake pictures? How dumb is that? Is it really your position that 1500 air strikes by one of the most powerful militaries in the world in one of the most densely populated areas in the world hasn't caused death and destruction? Do we need dead baby pictures to prove that?

The same reason Israel repeats the phrase that they have a right o defend themselves. It's propaganda. Blockades aren't jargon, in the real world they're acts of war.

 

You are still dodging. Why would Palestine use fake photos of dead children if there are, as the Muslims on this board claim, so many dead Palestine children caused by Israel? Why would Palestine use fake propaganda when, according to the Muslims on this board, they can use real propaganda?

Also trying to claim both sides use these fake photo propaganda is bull****. I have yet to see the Israeli government release fake photos of dead kids. They don't need to. Palestine does actually target civilians. You may disagree with their actions, but Israel saying they are protecting themselves is not propaganda and it is certainly not equal to using inaccurate dead photos of kids.

The first video in this thread shows the killing of the Hamas leader. You can see Israel wait til the terrorist is out of range of any citizens and then he is blown up. Israel does everything it can to avoid any civilian casualties while protecting it's own citizens.

 

The role of a father is to not intentionally put their children in harms way. Hamas using school yards, soccer fields and mosques to launch Rockets at indiscriminate targets in Israel is putting innocent civilians in harms way.

Teaching children to hate because of race or religion is wrong, both sides are guilty of this, but Hamas teaches its children to love death more than life, teaches them that becoming a martyr in the jihad is the greatest achievement...(Islam teaches that).

The images that I saw of dead children in your video brought tears to my eyes, seeing the fear etched on the faces of families running from bombings is heart wrenching, but ask yourself 'why is Israel bombing Gaza?'

If you poke a stick at a lion you run the risk of the lion reacting or attacking...If you have your children in your arms while provoking the lion or allow your children to poke the stick at the lion, you're putting your children in harms way.

Answer this question, who does more to limit civilian casualties the strategic strikes by Israel or the indiscriminate rockets launched by Hamas into crowded public areas, along with their suicide bombers?

I would rather see a peace plan take effect in the Israeli-Palestinian situation to stop the senseless slaughter, but the Palestinians and Arab world have stated time and time again that they do not want peace, they want the eradication of Israel, dhimmitude or Submission.

This comes from Islamic teachings, but you know that.

 

I think the Palestinians would be better off without their culture of martyrdom. I heard a BBC reporter talking with a 'man on the street' in Gaza about the celebrations. He tried to bring up the innocent Gazans who were inadvertantly killed and the guy just seemed almost pleased for them now that they were 'in paradise'.

I think it is a mistake to write this off as an 'Islamic' issue. The Phalangists in Lebanon, for instance, are just as pro-martyrdom as any Muslim, and despite sharing the religion, I don't see the same sort of culture being so overwhelmingly dominant among American born Muslims.

As comparison, the ultra-orthadox Jews are every bit as much the backward hillbilly fundamentalists as the Khaled Meshal, but they are so overwhelmingly selfish that they refuse to so much as work, much less willingly die for their cause.

It reminds me of the way the Japanese admired bravery during WWII. It is absolutely impressive thay you can get a whole company of men to be willing to die for their cause by, for instance, charging a machine gun nest with nothing but pocket knives. But it is not a winning formula. The much less individually impressive Americans who aspired to 'live fot their country' ultimately had the much more effective attitude.

 

According to Dennis Prager, the Middle East problem isn't hard to understand. Hard to solve, maybe. But not hard to understand.

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ignore tallanvor, he's a liberal troll trying to make conservatives look bad.

 

Very insightful and educational, I truly believe that brain cells died during that clip...