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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rtsy, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. QdoubleA

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    Maybe you shouldn't work for scumbags like them then...and not assume everyone else in that profession is a scumbag like those you work for.
     
  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    I don't disagree with you, I've witnessed some mortifying things first hand when I used to work at a hospital and under a physician that I would never say here but as far as the drug issue goes everybody is dead wrong.

    It is almost the opposite most of the time. Doctors are more and more hesitant to prescribe medications. They prescribe them nonetheless but have been exercising more caution over the last couple of years from something pretty benign like nasal allergy spray.

    It is in fact often the opposite when it comes to prescribing medications. Doctors don't really benefit from it, with the exceptions being psychiatrists prescribing class 2 etc regulated medications because the patient has to routinely visit them and obtain the script. Even then the DEA has unnecessarily cracked down to the point where even most psychiatrists are reluctant. Going over a patient's history, previous/current meds leave a lot of room for interactions so they certainly don't "enjoy" it as many claim.

    Its the pharm companies I think you guys are intending to direct this at. The amount of money pharm. companies such as pfizer make is just deplorable. Granted they have a huge investment, drugs are marked up to extremely unrealistic prices.
     
  3. blink

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    lol at people being keyboard doctors and trying to explain, with their tinfoil hats, why x, y, or z happens. if you're not a doctor, you have no idea what it means to practice as a physician. for the same reason why you wouldnt bash all cops just because of a few dirty ones, you dont pigeon hole all doctors. just because you have a few shady accountants, doesnt mean you say that all accounting practices are crap. that's dumb and im close to nerd raging at the pure idiocy in this thread.

    Classic, i dont know where you get your information from but

    1. a visit once a year is nothing
    2. show me were a doctor charges 300 bucks for a prescription visit. your numbers are wrong, at least here in texas. that's just a blatant lie. how much a doctor gets per visit is nowhere near that, it's not even in the triple digits.
    3. it's not hard to get birth control. i dont know what obgyns you guys are going to but you need to get a new one. it's as simple as getting an appointment and going in and talking to the doc. there is no red tape.
     
  4. blink

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    this guy has a more level headed view on the matter
     
  5. Commodore

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    I'm with you on protecting the unborn from bad drugs. Of course, I would include RU-486 in that.

    Why do you presume to tell someone what they can and can't put into their own body? Like a modern day Temperance League, getting all up in other people's affairs.
     
  6. QdoubleA

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    If I really need to explain to you why it's necessary to have regulation over drugs then you sir are a lost cause.
     
  7. Commodore

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    self-regulation is the best kind
     
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    Does the average person know what the side effects are for cholinergics and anti-cholinergics? Maybe after a quick google search. Does the average person know how lidocaine interacts with cimetidine and halothane? No.

    Even with explanation from doctors about how to take a drug and how often to use it, compliance still blows among patients. You mean to tell me that if people were left completely alone with no direction, this would somehow get better? It won't.
     
  9. QdoubleA

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    Because let anyone sell anything claiming whatever they want right?!?!?! RIGHT. The consumer can just deal with the horrific and deadly consequences! I mean screw people right?!?! "Mmm, kids get a big whiff of that asbestos, mmmmmmmmm. Hey, you ladies want some birth defect babies?" Noooo, I'm sure "the market" will correct these things AFTER a significant number of people have been affected or killed!

    I am dead serious right now, how can you believe something so stupid?
     
  10. Commodore

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    don't confuse direction with command

    What if the FDA limited itself to "should or should not" rather than "shall or shall not"?
     
  11. Refman

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    This assertion in regard to prescription medicine is simply dumb.

    You are talking about complex compounds that have different side effects in different people. The average person cannot possibly know everything they need to about how specific medicines may effect them with other conditions they may have or drug interactions. That is why we have learned professionals called doctors. The best informed decisions regarding medicines usually comes from consultation with a doctor that you see regularly and is familiar with you and your chart.
     
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  12. Commodore

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    agree 100%

    Difference is I don't insist others adhere to our notion of prudent behavior.

    People complain about the War on Drugs, but the FDA/doctors perform the same function (prohibition by force).
     
  13. blink

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    r****ds can't even control eating McDonald's, the fck you think will happen if all drugs were available? Asinine comments. While we're at it, let's make surgerys open to the public too, doctors are keeping a bottleneck on that just to make a lot of money
     
  14. QdoubleA

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    War on Drugs = Not being able to buy thalidomide. Brilliant.

    Got damn FDA, stoppin me from bein able to do whatever I want! If I want to feed my children tainted beef and give them expired unregulated vaccine then that's my business! *z snap*
     
  15. rtsy

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    Well the AMA and government-mandated insurance companies trying for a monopoly. But thankfully some doctors are trying to work outside the system to provide better quality and costs.
     
  16. SuperBeeKay

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    So, anybody here actually in the healthcare field? Or are they just spewing pure speculation and bull**** (90% of posters in this thread from what I can read)
     
  17. SuperBeeKay

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    Im also guessing many of you think our healthcare is one of the best... to which I pat you on the back for a gud laugh
     
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    Its not about someone's ethics or not but a system that is conducive to funneling public funds to areas of industry under government mandates and not because its its best for the population.

    It is not that physicians just prescribe anything, but they are the bottleneck and a cost in the process for basic medications. They make their compensation on seeing patients and not writing prescriptions (though Onocologists used to be able to sell and profit from this and many physicians sell other products in their offices). So the physician is financially incentivized to keep patients coming through their offices when such basic medications like antibiotics and birth control truly don't need it as they aren't needed in much of the world.

    Its just a system of lobbying by AMA and Doctor groups and through their destructive policies towards licensing more Medical Schools or allowing more lax foreign medical and state to state movement policies they've artificially lowered the supply of physicians in this country to about 1200 to 1. The drug companies love it because it mitigates risk from them and the trial lawyers (Of which there is 1 lawyer for every 300 people in the US) sue everybody anyway in another legalized extortion racket.

    These three parties together inflate the cost of healthcare to people, business and government and contributes to our deficits and is simply not rational and not an efficient system though its done for the purpose of 'safety' which usually means some group is lobbying and is being subsidized by everyone else's money.
     
  19. Rocketman1981

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    One does not to be in a field to understand incentivization and self-preservation by large groups. One simply needs to have a mind and be logical in their thinking.

    I've invested in healthcare companies and so I understand profit motives and how these systems are set up.
     
  20. SuperBeeKay

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    translation: I really dont know how it works, I only think I do.
     

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