Another financial aspect to consider is that the Big Ten does "junior memberships" for the first five years that a school joins. That is, they don't get the full share of revenues. Happened to Penn State in the 1990s, and to Nebraska again last year. That's why Mizzou made a big deal about being a "full member" from day one with the SEC. The story I've heard is that Mizzou did have an offer from the Big Ten two years ago, at the start of the realignment craze, but the curators thought it would be "financial suicide" and tried to negotiate for a full stake. Delany said no and struck a quick deal with Nebraska. So with Maryland, it's not just the exit fee, but it'll be five years until they actually get full Big Ten benefits. That's a pretty big deficit over the near term...
That is getting pretty old. Everyone already made a big fuss about UT controlling the old comish and he got the boot. As I understand it Stoops doesn't like having a conference championship either.
Not having a championship game will hurt their teams in computer polls and with strength of schedule in making the title game.
Exactly. People will argue against a CCG until it costs them an opportunity at a national title game. If Alabama had won out, there's a decent chance the Oregon CCG would have helped them jump KSU and cost Synder a chance at the national title. That said, with the expansion to a playoff system, it's much less important. Chances of being left out in a 4-team playoff is much, much lower.
If Texas or OU went perfect, you know they would go to the championship game regardless of who else went perfect.
Not sure about the others, but it certainly hurt USC in 2003 when they got left out in favor of OU and LSU despite being #1 in the polls. Having an extra win against a good team probably jumps them in the computers into the national title game.
Huh? If you're talking about Dan Beebe, the guy was a disaster. The conference was going to fold if it didn't have new leadership. UT didn't have a choice. If you're talking about Chuck Neinas, he was an interim guy - he was always leaving after a year or so. What I'm talking about is the opposition to expanding beyond 10 teams. It's well known that Deloss Dodds is the biggest opponent to it. Even Castiglione at OU (above Stoops) has made comments about the benefits of expansion. It's well above coaches - it's an AD/president issue, and Dodds is the biggest player in opposition. It may be old, but it's true.
Yea or they could have lost and not gotten in at all. Same thing with all the other teams that made it. So that 1 time it would have helped USC. Compare that to the 9 times a team from a conference that did not have a championship game made it to the BCS championship. That includes twice for USC the years after the BCS snub. ughhhh god you people. My point was that the old comish was fired and a new person was brought in with the explicit doctrine that Texas would not run the conference. End of story. Why are you trying to tell that tired story again when no one contested it. All I did was say it's done and we have someone new. I feel like I just bit on troll bait. We get it. You don't like Texas. Big 12 expansion is a money issue. They won't expand unless they get more money from the TV networks for it. End of story. There are not many teams outside of Notre Dame and Florida St that would increase the value of the conference. AS YOU SAID, they brought in someone new so Dodds is not calling the shots. If the entire conference wants to expand then they will. Stoops is on record as not being in favor of a championship game. It almost cost them a run at the title in 2003. The Big 12 is a solid conference. West Virginia was one of the top teams in the Big East and TCU was one of the top 2 teams not in a BCS conference over a 5 year span. They are both leaps and bounds better than Colorado and Missou. Losing A&M and Nebraska sucks but the conference is still a good conference outside of that and there is no reason to add two new teams that are less than the value of Nebraska and A&M just for the sake of adding them. The Big 12 is not the Big East. They are not desperate for members that they've destroyed the flood gates in trying to salvage their conference. Jezzz the big east. The conference champ last year left for the Big 12. The conference champ this year might leave for the Big 10. What a mess. Texas really ****ed up that conference, am i right?
Wow - that's some terrible "analysis". So basically, if some teams made it even without a CCG, that means it has no benefits? As long as we're doing that kind of simplistic thinking, why not just compare the number of times a team with a CCG made it to the NC game? If you're undefeated, and there are only 2 undefeated teams, yeah, you'll probably make it. The issue is when there are multiple teams with the same record, in which case computer rankings and late poll votes can make a huge difference. And in that case, having a CCG guarantees a good opponent to end the season and bolster schedule strength. If Notre Dame loses to USC, KSU and Oregon are still in the mix. And in that case, KSU not playing in a CCG and Oregon playing in their CCG (if Stanford loses next week) could be the difference. Or FSU could get back into the mix - but they'll absolutely need their CCG to impress voters to have any shot whatsoever.
BTW, it cost Okie State a chance just last year too. A win over #8 K-State in a CCG last year likely puts them in the title game.
Tell that to Auburn. They were undefeated and won their championship game in the SEC but were not ranked ahead of USC which did not have a championship game and then didn't go to the BCS game. This is the exact scenario you put forth. 3 undefeated teams. 2 teams won their conference game but only 1 of them went to the BCS championship. You are making arguments for things you think should be true based on how the system is setup but they are not backed up by reality. You dismiss my analysis because you think I am countering "logic" with some examples but these are not outliers. Looking historically at the teams that made it to the BCS game I do not think you can say that the conference championship matters that much. Your assessment of the impact of championship games is overstated. I'm not saying they don't help. I'm saying that they don't matter nearly as much as you guys think. I'm also pretty sure that after the USC shun, S.O.S was deemphasized in the computer polls. Absolutely not. They would not have passed Alabama. That same weekend they beat OU and that was not enough to get them past the hump. It makes a bigger difference to human voters that a team plays on the last weekend than if they play in a championship game. That's one of the problems with human voters. They don't really penalize teams for taking an extra bye week so they can play their last regular season game on the same weekend all the conference championship games are happening.
More like Dodds is opposed to expanding with teams that are currently seeking realignment. If the right situation came along, then he would be in favor. I mean Dodds didn't want another TX team in the Big12 right? But A&M left, and TCU came calling - it depends on the situation. But continue blaming UT and Dodds. Even after everyone has moved on, you're still the baby who didn't get enough time on the teat. Oh and Maryland got an invite to the Big10 before Mizzou did LOLOLOL
Looks like it's official. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/maryland-announce-move-big-ten-160742715--ncaaf.html Hopefully, the Big XII can become proactive and land some big fish from the ACC.
I'm hoping that the Big East ends up looking something like this. West: Boise State, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, SMU, Air Force, Fresno State East: Temple, Central Florida, Cincinnati, ECU, Louisville, South Florida, Navy Edit - nevermind, UConn goin' ACC. WELCOME BACK EAST CAROLINA/GOODBYE BYU. Double Edit - screw it, I hope SMU, UH, and Boise reneg on their commitment and decide to go to the MWC.
I was thinking about this.... who is going to leave the ACC because Maryland left, though? I do think it will be interesting to see what the penalty for Maryland will be though...if it gets negotiated down far enough, you MIGHT see other schools leave sooner.
So here's some fun (and ridiculous speculation). On the plus side, this guy was apparently talking about Maryland to the Big10 middle of last week before anyone else picked up on it. On the down side, he was apparently also the guy that first talked about FSU & Clemson to the Big12 happening this past summer. So take with many, many grains of salt. http://www.eersauthority.com/acc-apocalypse/ ACC Apocalypse 19 Nov, 2012 Good morning and welcome to Air Expansion! I will be your guide to the coming ACC apocalypse. Please buckle your seatbelts and prepare for a bumpy ride. The festivities kick-off today with a vote by Maryland’s Board of Regents to withdraw from the ACC and join the Big 10 conference. This is just the first step in the ACC apocalypse but once Maryland has officially departed we can expect the end game for the ACC to play out something like this: Maryland, a charter member of the ACC, leaves the troubled conference for the Big 10. The SEC extends an invitation to Virginia Tech which the Hokies accept. The SEC will tell the nation they are happy with 15 and do not plan to expand to 16 anytime soon. Virginia Tech’s departure will cause UVA and Georgia Tech to accept invitations to the Big 10 which will bring the Big 10 to 16 members. Once UVA and Georgia Tech have announced the SEC will reach out and invite UNC. UNC seeing the writing on the wall with 5 ACC schools having announced departure will accept that invitation. FSU and Clemson will be livid at the implosion of the ACC and accept invitations from the Big 12. The Big 12 will also add Louisville and NC State to reach 14. The ACC will poach enough teams from the Big East to sustain itself as a viable basketball league. The Big 12 will decide 14 is hard to manage and add Miami and Pitt from the ACC to reach 16. The above is the most likely scenario according to my friends at WVU. Remember that WVU has close ties with Maryland and Ohio State’s president was formerly the president at WVU and has maintained his ties with Morgantown. Both Ohio State and Maryland have freely shared information with WVU about Big 10 plans. The key to this scenario playing out is the SEC’s desire to expand to 16 to allow them to correct their scheduling problems and expand their SEC network into Virginia and North Carolina. The SEC truly doesn’t care if they add UNC or NC State. They simply desire a North Carolina footprint and the NC TV market. The Big 12 has to give up the idea they can remain at 10 and continue their round-robin schedule. Expansion to 16 provides security for all and the money to offset any concern about expansion. The Big 12 really has no choice as it’s expand or die. Timing is not as important as everyone thinks. The above could play out by the end of the week or it could drag on over the winter and into the summer. Tomorrow I’ll explain WVU’s contribution to the downfall of the ACC with a timeline.
Mizzou is off the market and has zero interest in switching conferences, considering they're in a conference far superior to the Big Ten in every way. By your logic, Maryland must also be superior to Texas, Florida and Alabama, because they also didn't get "invites" to the Big Ten.
