[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Sure, at least among the media class, but despite the cynicism in Israel's internal politics, nearly everyone supports the war. War and elections are a common thread and the genesis of plenty of conspiracy theories. But the moment air raid sirens were heard in Tel Aviv, most of those kinds of conversations went quiet for the first time since I've lived here.

What about Abdullah Abu Rahmah?

More than I previously thought. I've been recently corrected by NGO people I know that work there. They have little to no opposition within Gaza anymore and the people have no way of voting them out. There are rogue elements that want to prove their enthusiasm for fighting the good fight, but Hamas is about as heavy handed and in control as a government could ever aspire to be. Most of the "opposition" are kids smuggling drugs to cope. Or so I've been told. It's not exactly a very open society.

 

So, if the rockets are coming from inside peoples houses, how would YOU respond?

Cause thats what is happening. They slide the roof off, fire a rocket, put the roof back on. Math will tell Israel where it came from, so, if you know someone fired a rocket at your kids or your family, and you know where it came from, what would YOU do? Would you...

A) Risk your friends and neighbors by sending in commandos to take it out, knowing you would have to do the same thing hundreds more times.

B) Say F it. That's somebodys house, somebody lives there, so I just have to accept the fact they are going to lob rockets at me all day.

C) Call in an air strike. Bomb it.

Pick one.

 

Fine you bomb their house their relatives blame Israel and you have few more terrorists. The terrorist just move on to the next house. How about you try to make their lives a little better.

Either they go in and go Genghis Khan on their asses or they need to find a better strategy, but what they are doing is just not going to work.

Suppose we actually find an alternative for oil you think anyone will give **** about the middle east. What is Israel going to do then?

 

I wouldn't go in before they fired the rockets and kill some children. I know that if I did that some rocket fire might come and kill innocent Israelis. Then my response might kill 10 times as many innocent Palestinians.

I also wouldn't make laws that have nothing to do with security but discriminate against Palestinians for only their ethnicity.

I also wouldn't illegally occupy their land.

I bet if I just did those things, I would so greatly reduce the amount of rockets being fired at me, that I wouldn't have to go in and retaliate against civilian homes near where the rockets were fired.

 

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Ariel Sharon's son speaks...

A decisive conclusion is necessary
By GILAD SHARON11/18/2012 22:43

There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip.

Anyone who thinks Hamas is going to beg for a cease-fire, that Operation Pillar of Defense will draw to a close and quiet will reign in the South because we hit targets in the Gaza Strip, needs to think again.

With the elimination of a murderous terrorist and the destruction of Hamas’s long-range missile stockpile, the operation was off to an auspicious start, but what now? This must not be allowed to end as did Operation Cast Lead: We bomb them, they fire missiles at us, and then a cease-fire, followed by “showers” – namely sporadic missile fire and isolated incidents along the fence. Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, and we cannot allow ourselves to become resigned to it.

A strong opening isn’t enough, you also have to know how to finish – and finish decisively. If it isn’t clear whether the ball crossed the goal-line or not, the goal isn’t decisive. The ball needs to hit the net, visible to all. What does a decisive victory sound like? A Tarzan-like cry that lets the entire jungle know in no uncertain terms just who won, and just who was defeated.

To accomplish this, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear, can’t live with, and our initial bombing campaign isn’t it.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

The Gaza Strip functions as a state – it has a government and conducts foreign relations, there are schools, medical facilities, there are armed forces and all the other trappings of statehood. We have no territorial conflict with “Gaza State,” and it is not under Israeli siege – it shares a border with Egypt. Despite this, it fires on our citizens without restraint.

Why do our citizens have to live with rocket fire from Gaza while we fight with our hands tied? Why are the citizens of Gaza immune? If the Syrians were to open fire on our towns, would we not attack Damascus? If the Cubans were to fire at Miami, wouldn’t Havana suffer the consequences? That’s what’s called “deterrence” – if you shoot at me, I’ll shoot at you. There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.

Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.

IF THE government isn’t prepared to go all the way on this, it will mean reoccupying the entire Gaza Strip. Not a few neighborhoods in the suburbs, as with Cast Lead, but the entire Strip, like in Defensive Shield, so that rockets can no longer be fired.

There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And we’re running out of time – we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start – and a million civilians can’t live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1&utm_

 

Do you think if all of Israel packed up and moved they would hate the Jews less? All of a sudden be friends with them? I think if the Jews moved to Australia, Hamas would just move with them. Just like do you think if America pulled out everywhere and moved all their forces back to the States that people would hate us less. I don't think so.

 

You can bet if Israel is moved to Australia, there would be very little conflict with organizations like Hamas. They are in conflict with Israel because people took their land. Before Israel was crated, there was no Hamas.

 

I think if all the Jews moved to Australia, Hamas - being Palestinians - would stay in Palestine. More specifically, they hate the Jews because they perceive the Jews as stealing their land...

 

Do you think there can ever be peace between Jews and Arabs? Are most people in Israel resigned to the fact that conflict will continue forever?

 

??? Where do you come up with such nonsense?

 

Little did we know, if Israel moved to NW Canada then the world's problems are solved. Iran will no longer want to eradicate them from the planet.

 

Why did Iran want to eradicate Israel? Can you list the reasons?

 

Your question is silly. Do I think if Israel stopped doing the inhumane, oppressive, and unjust things it currently does and are part of Israel's policy the people of Gaza and Palestinians would hate them less? Yes, of course. Would it be immediate? No, absolutely not. Would it work over time? Yes. Would it be 100% effective? No, it wouldn't. There will always be a certain group of radicals, but the key is to wipe out there support which would happen if Israel stopped it's unjust and inhumane behaviors. It makes no sense to think it wouldn't.

I'm not asking Israel to move. Israel doesn't need to move. What Israel should do is stop operating under a policy of discrimination based not on defense but on keeping down people based on their ethnicity. Not starve a people, allow them to have businesses that are allowed to prosper, allow them water, stop building illegal settlements, and stop occupying their land, illegally.

 

America has the most jews in the world. Does Iran want eradicate the US?

 

Is that true?
Wow. Never knew that. Thanks for the info

Rocket River

 

It might be pretty close if it isn't true...

 

Ahmadinejad probably wouldn't mind.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20386755

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/18/us-palestinians-israel-journalists-idUSBRE8AH0BL20121118

In other news, Israel has brutally attacked and invaded the north pole, murdering all magical elves and destroying all the christmas gifts in production. They claim Hamas was using Santa Claus as a human shield to protect their operations. Barack Obama issued a statement: "Israel has a right to defend itself. No country would accept attacks on its citizens... unless you pay them enough, then you can get the leaders not to care. But other than Pakistan. No country. Look... Almost probably no country in the galaxy but Pakistan. And Yemen."

 

http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/pal...chomsky-and-others-challenge-the-worlds-media