You took him seriously before this???? The kid is a prepubescent high schooler that hasn't even had his balls drop yet, let alone know enough about Houston sports history to talk seriously about it in arguably the most well rounded Houston sports bbs around.
In a city, state and nation where anything football>basketball, if Andre gets just one ring he will be up there with Hakeem. No doubt Hakeem is one of the greatest of all times and Andre is on his way too. But this is Texas and in Texas basketball always takes a backseat to football. Therefor Andre will definitely be 1 or 1A.
I can not imagine anyone suggesting Ryan ahead of Biggio given that Biggio played every game of his 3,000 hit career for Houston.
Why are people arguing with a kid that wasn't even born when Hakeem was winning titles? **** this kid was too young to see 'dre back in his rookie year....LOL @ this thread and the OP
You are correct in 1 thing. The papers in Houston blared "Choke City" after the 2 playoff losses. But to state it had absolutely nothing to do with football is a joke. It had EVERYTHING to do with the football team. The Rockets just reminded folks of playoff heartache with 2 early playoff losses which they promptly turned around within a week.
how is this even a debate.... loooove andre johnson this he is amazing but he is not even 2 right now much less 1B .. first of all 2 championships, 2 nba finals mvp, 1 regular season mvp, all time leader in block shots, missed significant time only once during his prime...andre does not even come close and that is not a knock on dre. as for 2, that would have to be a tie between bags and biggio. Andre will probably top them if he makes it to the superbowl. But how many years did those 2 lead the astros into the playoffs? heck towards the end of their career we even started winning playoff series. they are still ahead of Dre, again no know on Dre but he is not there yet
If i remember correctly (and i do) losing those two big leads were just the straw that broke the houston post back ... but the idea of choke city was that no houston team ever came through in the clutch. the Astros lost to the mets, the oilers had lost countless playoff games when they were a favorite, even the rockets lost 2 finals series. No houston team at that point had won a major championship and then hakeem happened and the rest was history
This was exactly the point I made in my original post. The guy who replied to me (rezdawg) stated the "Choke City" moniker had nothing to do with the football team. This was about 1 year after the Oilers vs. Bills meltdown.
Hakeem CARRIED the Rockets for almost 2 decades! He carried them to 2 championships. As much as I think AJ is great he has not carried this team anywhere. Not even last year when we made the playoffs. The defense and the run game got us there. Hakeem will forever be 1A-Z and its no contest.
Choke City article: http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1994_1201582 [rquoter]Suns 124, Rockets 117/CHOKE CITY/Rockets lose 20-point lead in fourth quarter to Suns EDDIE SEFKO Staff THU 05/12/1994 HOUSTON CHRONICLE, Section Sports, Page 1, 3 STAR The fans came back. Unfortunately, so did the Phoenix Suns. What was supposed to be an all-for-one show of strength turned into one incredible fourth-quarter collapse Wednesday night as the Rockets blew a 20-point lead in the final 10 minutes to lose 124-117 in overtime at The Summit. No team has lost a bigger lead in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. It was a gag of the same proportion as the Oilers' 41-38 overtime playoff loss in Buffalo 16 months ago when they led 35-3 early in the third quarter. "Everybody feels terrible about this," coach Rudy Tomjanovich said. "It's a very hard, depressing thing to go through." The Rockets fell behind 2-0 in the Western Conference semifinals, which continue Friday night at America West Arena in Phoenix. Only one team -- the 1969 Los Angeles Lakers -- has rallied to win a seven-game series after losing the first two games at home. Charles Barkley had 34 points for the Suns, who relied on Barkley, Kevin Johnson and Dan Majerle to bring them back from an ominous 104-84 deficit in the final 10 minutes. But it was the Rockets' faulty execution offensively that opened the floodgates and left a wildly enthusiastic sellout crowd frustrated. The Rockets, who got 31 points and 17 rebounds from Hakeem Olajuwon, were outscored 26-8 in the fourth quarter, shot 3-for-18 from the field and had five turnovers. They went cold and played with the common sense of a sixth-grade team down the stretch, which might be an insult to sixth-graders. In a span of just more than seven minutes, they scored one point as the Suns chipped away at the lead. Even the Rockets admitted they threw their savvy out the window in the fourth quarter. They resorted to outside jump shots after trying to force the ball in to Olajuwon, who had only three points on 1-for-5 shooting in the fourth quarter. "They collapsed very strong inside," Olajuwon said. "That's why we needed to penetrate and try different things. We cannot depend on outside shots. They wanted us to shoot outside shots, and that's what we did. We played right into their hands." Added forward Robert Horry: "They were keying on one play, and we still kept running it. That's just my opinion, but we got too predictable. "It's ridiculous. Here we are with some of us talking about how much we want the fans to get behind us. We talked too much about that and didn't focus on winning the game. "I don't blame the fans. I wouldn't show up for the next game either." There might not be another home game unless the Rockets can win at least once in Phoenix. As for the fans, they put aside the feud that started when several players lashed out at them for failing to sell out Game 1 on Sunday. The crowd did everything it was supposed to Wednesday. So did the Rockets, until the fourth quarter. The Rockets missed 14 of their last 15 shots in the period. Cedric Ceballos and Barkley combined for eight Phoenix points as they climbed within 105-92 with 5:30 to play. When Majerle hit a 3-pointer with 3:25 to go, the Rockets' lead was down to eight points. Were it not for Sam Cassell's prayer of a 3-pointer with 2:34 to go, the Rockets would have gone scoreless in the final 6:48. Cassell's attempt came just as the shot clock was expiring. Up 108-97, the Rockets kept doing the same things that had eroded their lead -- chunking up outside shots with time left on the shot clock and turning the ball over. When Barkley converted a three-point play, then hit two free throws with 1:28 to go, the Suns had pulled to within 108-105. The Rockets suffered a senseless turnover when Cassell tried to make a pass in to Carl Herrera but had it stolen. When Danny Ainge hit a 3-pointer with 32.9 seconds left, the game was tied. Both teams missed shots to end it in regulation as Olajuwon had a baseline jumper rim out and Barkley missed from 18 feet at the buzzer. Somehow, you just knew the Suns would romp when they forced the overtime. They did. The Rockets got a three-point play from Olajuwon to go up 111-109, but Johnson scored and, after a Cassell turnover, Majerle got loose on the break for a layup and a 113-111 Phoenix lead. Cassell missed two shots and had a turnover. When Barkley hit a 3-pointer, the Suns went up 116-111, and the lead grew to nine before the Rockets made a couple of late 3-pointers. It was an amazing turnaround from early in Wednesday's game, when the Rockets had won back their fans, with whom players had had a two-day feud about Game 1 not selling out. The fans were as loud as they had been all season, providing a wonderful atmosphere and a legitimate sixth-man inspiration. The Rockets rang up 40 points in the third, but it was simply a setup for a crushing letdown. .... Choke City The Rockets' NBA-record 20-point fourth-quarter collapse against Phoenix on Wednesday night was just the latest in a long line of blown leads by Houston teams: The Oilers: On Jan. 3, 1993, the Oilers blew an NFL playoff-record 32-point lead against Buffalo in a first-round game. The Bills came back from a 35-3 second-half deficit to win 41-38 in overtime. The Astros: On Oct. 15, 1986, the Astros lost a 3-0, ninth-inning lead in Game 6 of the National League Championship Series with New York. The Mets won a series-clinching 7-6 decision in 16 innings. The University of Houston: On April 4, 1983, the No. 1-ranked Cougars tossed away a five-point lead late in the game and with it the NCAA championship when North Carolina State's Lorenzo Charles slammed home an airball at the buzzer to give the Wolfpack a 54-52 win in Albuquerque, N.M. The Astros: On Oct. 12, 1980, the Astros, with Nolan Ryan on the mound, coughed up a 5-2 lead in the eighth inning of Game 5 of the NL playoffs. The Phillies scored five times in the eighth and went to the World Series after an 8-7, 10-inning win. The University of Houston: On Jan. 1, 1979, in the Cotton Bowl, UH built a 34-12 lead on a frigid, windy winter afternoon. Operating with the wind at its back in the fourth quarter, Notre Dame scored three touchdowns -- the last as time ran out -- for a 35-34 comeback win over the Cougars.[/rquoter]
Yeah, people always talked about houston choking...but the actual term "Choke City" was used directly in reference to the Rockets in the Suns series. Had the Rockets never lost those first two game in the series, people would be talking about how the Oilers choked against the Bills or whatever...but the term "Choke City" would have never come about...and same with "Clutch City". In other words, if the Rockets had won the series with Phoenix without having to come from behind and had the Rockets just plowed through and won the championship, we would not be "Clutch City", even though we won a title. There is a difference between people saying we choke in sports...and the actual "Choke City" term that was given to the city.
OP is trolling hard...or too young. Hakeem is arguably a top 10 player of all time and Andre is a borderline hall of famer.
I would say Biggio is 1B and Andre is 1C, and this is coming from a guy who would rather see a Texans Superbowl, than a Astros WSC or a Rockets NBA 'ship.
that sounds ridiculous but it is true.. considering that hakeem won the mvp (attributed mainly to offense) and defensive player of the year in the 93-94 season .. he dominated both offense adn defense
no way jose, yao does not crack top 10 just a list off the top of my head (i will prob leave people out and this is not in any particular order) 1) hakeem 2) earl 3) biggio 4) bagwell 5) Dre 6) ryan 7) moon 8) clyde 9) moses 10)scott
stupid ass troll thread. Hakeem is arguably the greatest center of all time. Love dre but he just made the playoffs LAST YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER!! The rockets drafted dream in 84 and they were in the finals in 86!!!!! Dream created phi slamma jamma AND CLUTCH CITY!!! Dre has to win a superbowl and contribute in a big way before we can even start the conversation and even if the texans win the big one, it would still be a very brief conversation. Hakeem's career in U of H and with the rockets cannot be touched by andre johnson. not even close. there is no 1a or 1b or 1c. Its 1. Hakeem Olajuwon 2. whoever. whatever. Even when retired from the game dream is still making huge impact. Teaching Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Javale Mcgee, Josh Smith the finer art of the post game. again, stupid thread.
