[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

right...

http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=9

What's next, disliking Likud policies makes you a Nazi? Because I know plenty of Jews who do. I'll go about informing them that they're anti-Semites.

 

Here's a documentary about life in Gaza from a few years ago. It's about 30 min:

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My main experience outside the Green Line was playing music in Ramallah. In a bar. This is another world.

 

Criticizing Israel isn't the same as supporting Hamas and terrorist actions.

 

On the other hand, Israel is perfectly capable of completely destroying every person and building in the Gaza strip. If that was actually their goal, it would be done by now. Instead they make measured responses to rocket attacks and target launch sites and Hamas leaders. Looking at what the Israelis have actually done, it seems pretty clear that it does matter from where Hamas fires their rockets.

 

Still, I have to say that quote is wrong (both from a human standpoint and, much less important, from a tactical standpoint).

 

Oh, there's no doubt that if they could get away with it they just might.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ep-gaza-economy-on-brink-of-collapse-1.335354

Israel is not negotiating in good faith when it comes to its' intent towards Gaza. and god knows what the Israelis really think and do from higher classified documents, or things they keep secret from the client American state that pays more for its' military than its' own taxpayers do.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284637&R=R101

It's ironic how the fiscal conservatives in this thread can't seem to recognize a poor return on taxpayers' money when they can actually see one. An emphasis on the "deadbeats and takers" within the American polity seems to have made them soft on foreign takers.

 

Intern, be quiet and sit in the corner.

 

It's of no benefit to Israel. A lot has changed since 2008 and Cast Lead.

Yeah, but military "aid" is tricky to any country. That money goes to defense contractors in the US. It's pretty damn smart. Do you want to be the congressman who votes to "get rid of American jobs" ?

As it is, the US can veto arm sales from Israel...otherwise they'd be selling drones and advanced radar to the Chinese. The US often benefits more from the "special relationship" than Israel does.

But I totally agree it's not the job of the US taxpayer to underwrite the rest of the planet's security. I have to pay taxes in both countries...

 

It's of benefit to Israel to punish Gaza as harshly as possible, it's just that the costs are much higher now that the region went up in flames. If the costs were ever to lower, I don't think one can doubt that Israel's intent towards Gaza (including its' civilians) is malicious, to say the least.

I'd replace the US with American defense companies. And that's considering things like the following---

http://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2010/01/28/defense-contractors-offshore-gao.aspx

yeah, sure, save money on the DOD budget, that's really where America needs cost savings, not general revenue for things like unemployment benefits.

need a good old "takers" comment somewhere here.

 

Dumbass, that's EXACTLY what you said:

Hamas uses residential areas to mask their rocket sites. You claim that Israel is irresponsible if they attack those sites since "it will cause the incidental loss of civilian life and infrastructure." That thinking both inhibits Israel's ability to defend itself and rewards Hamas for engaging in activities that endanger their own people.

See if you can follow this. Hamas goes to some neighborhood and fires off several rockets into Israel. Israel doesn't respond, and issues a statement that from now on Israel will not respond to attacks launched from residential areas because it will place civilians at undue risk. Which is more likely? Hamas realizes that what they are doing is cowardly and reprehensible and refuses to repeat that behavior, or says to themselves, "Hey, we've found a way to launch on Israel without fear of counterattack! Let's increase the amount of attacks from our neighborhood rocket sites!" If you pick the first option, you're stupid.

 

Because that is when the cycle of violence this thread is based on began. Before that Israel had imposed a blockade on Gaza, which is an act of war, and before that an all-out siege of Gaza.

Please show some evidence that this round of violence began after Hamas initiated a fight from a civilian area. Israeli initiated the violence by provoking the Palestinians (who have the right to resist) through killing some children playing soccer.

What about Israel targeting the media? Were they going after Hamas then too? Was this Hamas' fault as well? I wonder what Israel has to hide that it's now targeting members of the international press not once, but twice:

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/ga...ng-housing-international-media-gaza-including

On a related note, Anonymous attacks over 650 Israeli sites, wipes databases, leaks email addresses and passwords. I'm sure you want to blame this on the Palestinians too:

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...tabases-leaks-emails-addresses-and-passwords/

 

The intent is self-interest. And for the military at least, the objective is pretty clear. And that means civillians are going to get killed. Not because Israel is malicious and not because Hamas is cowardly, but because nearly every inch of the Gaza Strip is urban and has people living in high density with tunnels under them full of missiles. It's a high stakes game of whack-a-mole as soon as a launch is detected.

Hamas doesn't give a damn because they are certain one day they will win because...God.

My point in bringing up the way foreign aid works is to illustrate how hard it is to cut the budgets for it. It's a misnomer to describe it as money just being given to Israel. It's corporate welfare for the defense industry and political suicide for anyone in Congress.

 

Leftist anti-semitic intern kid is trying to pin guilt on those who are trying to defend themselves from terrorists. Karma will come around.

 

Israeli minister vows Palestinian 'holocaust'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1580339/Israeli-minister-vows-Palestinian-holocaust.html

 

Should be fired.

 

The blockade ended in May for everything except weapons. And besides, there's a border crossing now open with Egypt. In spite of that blockade, 600 missiles have hit Israel in 5 days, all of which were either homemade or manufactured in Iran, dismantled and smuggled in.

The shelling and rocketing of Southern Israel has been happening long before November 8. Just not in a scale that warranted the response it's getting now. What IS true is the attacks were in a 1.5 day lull when Israel drone-killed Ahmed a-Jabari, and I don't understand fully why they did that, and anyone who really knows isn't telling.

From the point of view of both belligerents in this war, who started it is largely irrelevant. Hamas passed a point of no return and Israel is not going to stop until every missile is destroyed. They don't care about about anything else and they won't agree to a cease-fire until that's done. Hamas will build up the stockpile again and in a couple of years it will happen again.

My understanding is that they blew up stuff belonging to Hamas state-run media, which may have been a military objective, but it's hard to say anything is deliberate considering Gaza's population density. There's absolutely no safe place there and if ground forces are used it will be an order of magnitude worse.

That's nothing new. Stuff like that happens all the time and it's always dismissed as anti-semitism.

 

Seriously, the people leading the Palestinians are a bunch of creepy old men ranting about killing Jews, they beat women and stone gays and get other people to blow themselves up in cafes and on buses.

And people here tie themselves in knots defending them.

 

How? The story is from 2008.

 

These Israeli ministers sure seem like extremists. I would call them terrorists for making such statements.

 

You're talking out of your ass. Just like you do in other threads.