[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Great post and I agree with most of what you said.

 

Wow....I don't even know how to reply to this. Funny stuff.

 

Did....you seriously just write this not intending to be sarcastic??

Wow. I think I am at an utter loss of words, this has to be one of the funniest, most out of touch things I have ever read.

I agreed with a couple of posts you made earlier but you just lost total credibility.

Nice job digging up the old stuff Glynch. This guy is going on ignore.

 

mgraye-

That is weak. Will Native Americans get Manhattan back? The West Bank represents the last small piece of Palestine not stolen by the Israelis. Likud favor a zero-state solution- expulsion- so they let the settlers go in to steal land based on their biblical prophecies, and anyone who resists is executed by the IDF. And you come up with some BS the land was stolen by Arabs? Spare me.

 

You've been spewing your Zionist propaganda all throughout this thread.

Why don't you talk about the effective siege of Gaza by the Israeli occupation forces from 2007 up until the present? A siege or blockade is an act of war and the Palestinians by law have the right to resist.

Also, why don't you post videos of Palestinians being killed by the racist, apartheid Israeli regime that you so love to defend and be an apologist for?

Why don't you provide us with statistics about Israeli missiles fired against Palestinians?

How many Jews have been killed by all this rocket fire versus the number Palestinians that have been killed by Israeli missiles?

Why don't you talk about how the Zionists have these grand plans for a "greater Israeli," which means more occupation, theft of land, colonization, and ethnic cleansing?

Again, here is Ali Abunimah setting the record straight on who's responsible for this violence:

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Don't act like the British didn't help the Zionists colonize Palestine with documents and proclamations like the Balfour Declaration.

If it's impossible to change the minds of those right wing fanatical settlers that continue to colonize Palestine then either the Israeli regime, which has no problem using force and violence, needs to forcibly remove them. If not, they shouldn't be surprised if the Palestinians use armed resistance to try and liberate their land. They are well within their rights to resist this illegal occupation and the colonization of Palestine under international law, which is something you fail to mention.

Lol, even the loony right wing Christian fundamentalists are in this thread. Where is the outrage from all those posters that are quick to condemn anything resembling Islamic fundamentalism... where is their outrage towards Christian and Jewish fundamentalism? It's conveniently absent while people like cml750 are praying for Armageddon.

 

God this thread is just sad.

The narrative of Israel needs to flat out change. Every pro-Israeli post here is just some re-iteration of fear that Palestinians and Arabs want to wipe out Israelis and the Jews.

Meanwhile, income inequality in Israel is at an all time high. Jerusalem in particular is awful. One street will be filled with a bunch of old run down houses in West Jerusalem and then all of a sudden you'll find a huge empty tower of condos owned by Americans who come there for 2 months a year. Yet what has the Israeli government done about it? There was protest after protest. And Likud could've done something since both the Orthodox and Secular communities largely stood together on this one. They couldve bought favor with all constituents. Instead the government shifts the news media back to war and fear.

Or how about water. We talk about how the Palestinians are getting the short end of the stick when it comes to water rights but Jerusalem is going to hit a crisis point soon. Each government passes on the buck and no one gives two ****s about solving anything. Again that country could focus on solutions to this but instead they'll freak out about the destruction of Israel that won't happen. And this isn't just Jerusalem, there are cities all across eastern Israel that are facing this problem.

Or how about demographics? Israel was pretty unique in that it lived off of very well educated immigrants who built up the country. Well guess what, that era is over. The only immigrants who come now are from the former Soviet Union and most of them provide no intellectual capital. The school system in Israel isn't very good and won't replace the loss of immigration. Couple that with a growing brain drain and you are setting yourself up for a slow economic meltdown. Not to mention all of the population growth in Israel is coming from the Orthodox community who in terms of actual economic value provide little if any. Instead its serving to radicalize the electorate in create growing divisions among the Orthodox and Secular communities. And to preserve the secular fabric of Israel, the Secular leadership in the Knesset is forced to keep bribing the Orthodox wing with continual settlement expansion and subsidies to the Orthodox community. Well as long as the demographics continue, that won't even matter because at some point you'll get a majority Orthodox government and look out. The community that provides the least economically will one day gain full control of the country.

Look all of the posters who keep complaining about Palestinians can keep doing it but 50 years from now, you won't have to worry about the Palestinians because Israel will suffer the consequences of its failure to fix its own problems. Administration after administration can wag the dog and continually scare the population about the Palestinian menace but that won't work forever.

Forget the Palestinians, this is all your loss. Regardless of whether you think peace can be had, it is in the interest of the Israelis to make a genuine push for peace. The secular community has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Israel will self-implode if they dont get their **** together. Forget the rights and justice of the Palestinians, its in the self-interest of Israel to get this figured out. The Palestinian problem won't just go away, it'll get worse as demographics change. And eventually Israel will have wasted far too much time and money on an indefinite occupation instead of solving its own problems.

You guys can support fighting the Palestinians but you'll be doing so to save an Israel that probably won't even be the same a century from now. So ask yourselves, was all that time and energy on the Palestinians really worth it?

 

Wait, you ask a question out of nowhere about Arab youths supposedly having hate preached to them from the time they leave the womb and answer it by saying they are brainwashed and imprisoned by their own leaders and not Israel. Then you follow it up with a picture of Israeli occupation forces enforcing the illegal military occupation of the West Bank in Palestine. Wow, just wow! I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at how ridiculous your "logic" and line of "thinking" is.

The Palestinians have been living in Palestine for over a thousand consecutive years in the modern era. Also, Jews, Muslims, and Christians were living in relative peace in Palestine until the Zionists arrived and began colonizing the land. Looks like you're the one that's been brainwashed, because the more you talk, the less you have an intellectual leg to stand on.

 

mgraye2969, thanks for your reasonable and moderate posts.

Don't mind Kwame, he is known as a fanatical, hateful fringe poster who is usually dead-wrong, even when it comes to basketball (just check poster RV6's sig).

 

The reason you won't answer the questions or engage in a debate and discussion, which is the whole point of this thread is because if you do, you'd realize how silly your "argument" looks so you just ignore it and blame the victims instead.

Who are the extremists on "your side"? Are you talking about Netanyahu? Are you talking about the right-wing Christian fundamentalists that help embolden Israeli aggression? Are you talking about racist Zionist fundamentalists? Who are you talking about?

Go look at that picture you posted. There's an Ethiopian Jew in that pic...you're saying he has more right to the land than a Palestinian who's ancestors and relatives have been living there for over a thousand consecutive years in the modern era.

I knew it wouldn't be long before one of the biggest apologists for Zionism and Israeli aggression showed his or her face in this thread. Why don't you answer the questions I posed to him instead of engaging in name-calling?

Did you see that post by cml750? If you're an opponent of fundamentalism, where is your condemnation of all the Jewish and Christian fundamentalism that's interspersed throughout this thread? Surely somebody like you isn't an intellectual fraud or a charlatan, right?

 

You do realize their colonization of Palestinian land is illegal, right? You do realize that Israel controls the borders as well, right? You do realize that Israel usurps Palestinian resources like water, right? Why don't you answer all the questions I posed to you in my original response to all your Zionist propaganda?

Did you watch that video I posted? It clearly discusses the timeline of violence and aggression by Israel and demonstrates that Israel is responsible for what we're seeing now.

 

This post explains your bizzare posts in the past. Thank you for clarifying.

 

Kwame, you come across as a very angry person. Even your takes on basketball usually sound very aggressive.

 

Is that like your favorite word to use? Like cml70's is 'truth.'

And what true Rockets fan ISN'T aggressive about basketball? Freaking troll.

 

You are also very angry. Truth.

 

Lol, are you running away from the thread you created? You've called me all kinds of names...I'm surprised you haven't pull the antisemitism card yet, lol. None of what you said about me is true, but you sure do like to blame the victims. You're blinded by your unquestioned support for the Israeli regime. Precautions?! Are you kidding me? Lol... Is that what you call the siege of Gaza, the subsequent blockade against the territory, the occupation of Palestinian land, and the colonization of the West Bank? That's absolutely pathetic. You know Israel has expansionist designs... You know the Zionists want a greater Israel and want to ethnically cleanse Palestine. If your position is so strong and your argument is ironclad, why not answer the questions I posed to you?

You seem like a bigot, racist, and Islamophobe, but why don't you stick to the issues instead of initially engaging in name-calling and answer some questions like why you don't condemn Christian and Jewish fundamentalism the same way you do its Islamic variant? That's if you're acutally interested in having a debate, which I don't think you are, but please feel free to prove me wrong that you're not a troll.

Also, do you or mgraye2969 dispute Israeli responsibility for this violence? Ali Abunimah makes it clear where culpability lies in this video. Do you dispute what he's saying. If so, please provide evidence to support your position:

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They made him work in the copy room again yesterday, he's just frustrated. Leave the troll alone. He probably has a Muslim boss and can't stand it.