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[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mgraye2969, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. cml750

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    ??????? What the hell do you mean?????? ROXRAN was spot on in his post. If Hamas stops the rocket attacks then Israel will stop retaliating. It is not that hard to figure out. As long as Palestinian terrorist blindly shoot rockets into Israel, then Israel will defend itself. Israel did not start this, but they do have to defend themselves. I just don't understand why people like you can't look at this objectively and see the truth. I am not sure if it is just blind anti-Semitic hate or do you just believe all the Palestinian propaganda?
     
  2. cml750

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    This is a good article.


    LINK

    Blame hatred of Israel for attacks

    STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com November 15, 2012 5:38PM



    Over the next few days you’re going to hear a lot of analysis and commentary offering up this nuanced explanation or that complex interpretation for the latest round of Israel-Hamas fighting in the Gaza Strip and the latest drive by the Palestinian Authority for enhanced U.N. recognition. But there’s nothing nuanced or complex about them. Both represent the simple fact of the persistent, uncompromising, never-ending rejection of the state of Israel by the Palestinians and their Arab and Muslim supporters.

    Yes, the PA and Hamas may be competing for support among the Palestinians by trying to demonstrate who’s doing the most to confront Israel — PA President Mahmoud Abbas by a diplomatic offensive in the U.N. and Hamas with a terror offensive of raining rockets on Israel. But the bottom line is neither demonstrates a willingness to sit down and talk to reach a peaceable settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Yes, there may be frustration among the Palestinian population on the lack of progress toward reaching a settlement. But how can progress be achieved when Abbas turns a cold shoulder to Israel’s entreaties to come to the bargaining table and Hamas rejects the very notion of talks?

    Yes, the so-called “Arab spring” adds a new element into the Middle East equation. But mostly it is only a more fundamentalist, aggressive and reckless hatred of Israel that could explode in incalculable consequences, in contrast to the more cautious rejectionism of Arab dictators like Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, for whom self-preservation overruled hazardous provocation of Palestinians — a people they never cared for much.

    Yes, the upheaval overthrowing regimes in places like Libya unleashed a flood of new weapons into the hands of Gaza-based terrorists. But Iran already was working overtime to get as many rockets, mortars and guns to them as possible.

    All these factors have come together to produce the Gaza crisis at this time. But it was going to come eventually one way or the other given the history of rejectionism. As recently as 2008 Abbas walked away from a comprehensive peace settlement. In 2005 Israel uprooted settlements and left Gaza. That was an opportunity for the Palestinians to show they could create a civil society; instead Hamas built a terror statelet.

    Now Abbas seeks U.N. observer state status — what the Vatican has — to use the levers of U.N. authority like the international criminal court to harass and demonize Israel. Israel may — and should — stop collecting taxes for the PA and distributing them to it to show what a charade Palestinian governance is. Besides those taxes, the PA lives off the charity of donor nations who have reduced their aid due to the West’s economic problems and probably to frustration with PA corruption and incompetence.

    And no nation can — or should — tolerate unrelenting rocket attacks liked those inflicted on the Jewish state by the Hamas terrorists. In recent weeks, hundreds of rockets have been launched, killing, wounding and terrorizing Israelis. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak says the airstrike that killed Hamas butcher Ahmed al-Jabari and the raids on Gaza terrorist strongholds and arsenals mark the beginning, not the end, of Israel’s “Pillar of Defense” campaign.

    Blame all the bloodshed that’s to come where it belongs — Palestinian rejection of a negotiated peace and of the Jewish state.
     
  3. CometsWin

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    Your posts are like the onion version of a serious poster.
     
  4. Commodore

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    Wrong to draw a moral equivalence between a democracy defending itself and a terrorist organization trying to perpetuate genocide (Hamas).
     
  5. LosPollosHermanos

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    This is an extremely duped statement.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    How is settlement building a democracy defending itself?
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    worst part is that he quotes an article that acts as if the Palestinian are one voice in stead of any. Even within Hamas there are factions that want peace and factions that want war.
     
  8. Nook

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    You cannot really believe that.
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    I agree with most of the people on here but claiming that Israel will always be vindicated from any blame is a really ignorant statement. I hope people sleep on that.
     
  10. Commodore

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    like I said, kill all the Jews vs. building houses

    false moral equivilance
     
  11. LosPollosHermanos

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    that is a false statement, and you know it.
     
  12. Commodore

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    Hamas does not want to kill all Jews?
     
  13. trustme

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    What do you think building settlements does? It displaces Palestinians, turns them into refugees, makes them homeless, and starves them to death. Tell me, what's the difference between death from a rocket and death from having your home demolished and starvation? None.
     
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  14. cml750

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    I believe the truth. I haven't figured out what some of you believe.
     
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    You are absolutely right. The angry leftists and Islamists will try to shout you down, but you are right.
     
  16. tallanvor

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    Rockets fired from Egypt into Israel

    I am sure as Major says that these Egyptians hate Israel because of some Israeli oppression as well. makes sense......

    Couldn't possibly be that Muslims just hate Jews and want them dead.
     
  17. thadeus

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    There are neither good guys nor bad guys in this conflict.
     
  18. TreeRollins

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    There are quite a few blanket generalizations about large groups of people in this thread.
     
  19. mgraye2969

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    This is actually a truthful statement. Whether people choose to accept it or not is up to their own views and opinions. Even a PLO representative would tell you that Hamas is at the moment wrong at the present moment. Although they would also fault Israel. Some people on this board need to take a step outside of their own head and view the conflict. Once you do that you will come to a conclusion of who the real good guys, and bad guys are....
     
  20. mgraye2969

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    Woah...Egypt and Israel have a treaty dating back to 1979. Many Egyptians do not want anything to do with this. They should just let Israel and Gaza handle their own business.
     

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