[Uh-Oh]Israel and Gaza on the brink of all out WAR

Just ask this question, would people in Texas be willing to drop everything and move out to Africa if Mexico is allow to claim Texas again.

 

Why wouldn't you be sanguine about it? Putting the life of you and your loved ones in danger every day because of something relevant to your dead ancestors? I would absolutely give up everything and start again considering the circumstances. If you dwell on the past too much.. you'll never move forward. And even though the land may have belonged to my ancestors before "their" ancestors, there's no point looking at semantics.

I have to come to grips with the reality of the situation. It's not a sign of disrespect to protect my life and dignity.. and create a better one for my kids. I assure you, blowing myself up or posting on jihad blogs is not going to do that.

 

Wait, hold the phone. You're saying that Israel should put the lives of its ground troops and the pilots that transport them at risk to protect the lives of Palestinian civilians that Hamas intentionally positions its launchers close to?

Nothing about that seems askew to you?

 

I made no argument that the onus should be on only the Palestinians to move. I don't think there is an onus. It's a personal, family decision. It's fine to say "why should I move, let them move" but that doesn't matter in reality. The point is I would move.

That said, if one party should be able to move easier within the region, you would think it would be the Palestinians. Instead of posturing, may e Eyyptqnd the rest of the Palestinian friendly Middle East can organize a mass exodus of Palestinians into their countries. Would this be giving up? Somewhat - but given the numbers this approach seems at least smarter. Fight to take your land back from afar and perhaps then with the assistance of the other states in the rgioon... All without dying or putting your family at risk.

 

Israel was a nation created out of pure military force. From the Arab/Muslim/Persian perspective, that which was created from the sword can also be destroyed by the sword.

 

You are the suck.

 

One man's terrorist is another man's revolutionary
[Example: Boston Tea Party]

Do you think black folx cared about their people while they were getting beaten and hit with water hose. The concept is to have the world see how brutal their opponent is and maybe send some help.

Unfortunately for them . . . the Isrealis have better publicist.
90% of all wars and conflicts .. . both parties are equally wrong
the one with the publicist will win the sympathy and support.

Rocket River

 

Nope.

 

So . . . If a militia group took refuge in a school . . .. you would be ok with bombing the whole school?????

to paraphrase:

Are the Palestianians not deserving of some protection and consideration under the laws of the country in which they reside?
Would we do this to . . . uhm . ..let's say an encove of illegal immigrants
would we blow up a bunch of them if they had some bad seeds among them?


Rocket River

 

Totally agree with this. The whole Israeli schtick is about controlling perception. Calling their military a defense force (whatever), continuing to assert they have a right to defend themselves in answer to why they've imposed a state of apartheid. The whole thing is sickening.

 

Well, yeah, that's true. All legitimacy is fundamentally based around force.

But are the Middle Easterners really sure they want to play that game?

 

They've played it for quite a while now. It's a cluster***** out there.

The amazing thing is they are all the same people, just believing different religions. Semites are both Arabs and Jews.

 

O my those poor kiddies. The blood is on Hamas. Stop the rocket attacks to save your people. Simple

 

I didn't realize so many people on this website were Zionists and/or supporters of a racist, apartheid regime...it's pathetic...but either way Ali Abunimah sets the record straight:

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Israel fired rockets of their own today into Syria, after more shells landed inside Israel. I don't know where that's going to go, but it can't be good.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=291470

Israel is likely to go into a full tilt ground invasion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0d523a-2fd9-11e2-ac4a-33b8b41fb531_story.html

Morsi sounds really pissed off, but I don't know if he is serious about threatening Israel, or if it's just to score points.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306732,00.html


Today a missile came close to Jerusalem...a questionable move since it's more than likely to kill Arabs as anyone else, but then most of Southern Israel is Bedouin and that hasn't deterred Hamas in the past.

Another came near Tel Aviv around 2pm today. I was about to get on stage and perform when it happened. We heard the air raid sirens and it was apparently intercepted. Then I played my show.

So far, nothing has actually hit Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. If it did, it would be a new first for Hamas, and likely to kill or injure a LOT of people due to the density. It would also be a point of no return as far as escalating things.

As for all the conversations about Hamas:
Hamas will never, ever disarm. Even if they did, there are plenty of other armed groups ready to take their place, most of them more radical. And even so, Hamas came to take power by largely throwing all their opposition (The PA/PLO) off of rooftops.

Netanyahu is being pressured now to take Hamas out. So far, Israel has never sought to do that because
A. It pisses off Egypt, especially now with Morsi in charge, who views Hamas as friendly.
B. It negates the "We have no partner in peace" mantra that stalemates peace and ending the Occupation.
C. It makes the PA look like Israel's lackeys and hurts the credibility of the one responsible party that DOES negotiate with Israel for peace.

The IDF doesn't target civilians on purpose, but it has no problem accepting collateral damage in Gaza, a tiny area with a very dense population. Any bombing there is guaranteed to hurt civilians, but there's no way Israel can do nothing after hundreds of rocket attacks.

The occupation is a different thing altogether, and I won't defend that or it's contribution to every problem here. But it's separate issue from the immediate security concern Israel is dealing with. I'm politically very cynical and make no defense of Israel's military occupation, especially after seeing it up close, but I maintain my own sanity by trying to deal with the facts and the nuances of gray in them.

Morsi is the only politician that can get Hamas to agree to a cease-fire, which is the only thing that will prevent it from getting to the next stage, a sight I have no interest in seeing. If Hamas doesn't agree to a hudna soon, they will get a lot of people killed in a war they have no chance of winning.

People have a way of projecting their own politics and religion into this conflict, and it's dangerous to do so. Do your best to step back and try to be objective. Adeelsiddiqui has never said anything to make anyone think that he supports terrorism and he has a right to not like civilians being bombed.

As a civilian currently being bombed, I sure as hell don't wish it on anyone else and can respect that. But adeelsiddiqui, you need to understand that if you are the Prime Minister of Israel, you don't really have much of a range of options. And no US president is going to say anything different from what Obama is saying now. That's how this awful game is played.

From my perspective, Hamas is putting it's own people at risk and can end this by negotiating a cease-fire via Morsi without a loss of face. They don't have much to gain at this point other than risk being wiped out and getting a lot of innocent people killed.

I personally don't know anyone in Gaza, as I do in the West Bank, but I was relieved that a journalist from AP I know who is their ace war correspondant (an Australian of Lebanese and Egyptian parents) was told to stay away from there. But I also know a lot of very unhappy Israeli guys who would rather be at home right now and don't have a say in what might happen in the next 48 hours other than risk a long stay in army prison.

Try to be civil guys. At least we have that liberty.

 

http://www.da.gov.kw/eng/articles/arab_economic_summit_2009_speeches.php?p=egypt_president

Speech of
His Excellency President Hosni Mubarak
President of the Arab Republic of Egypt

19 January 2009

 

Exactly.

Hamas = terrorist organization

 

This is an extremely callous and insensitive post and its because of attitudes like this that there will never be peace in that region.

 

Israel was created because of the Holocaust. A time when Jews didn't/couldn't stand up for themselves.

Like it or not, those days are over forever. They will take whatever actions they feel necessary to avoid that happening again.

I can't say that if I was one of them, I wouldn't agree. I do wish both sides (Israelis and Arabs) would squash the extremists that cause the bloodshed.