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Oklahoma Doctors (Free Market Medicine) vs. Obamacare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rtsy, Nov 16, 2012.

  1. rtsy

    rtsy Member

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    But we must have a government takeover of health care!

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    Three years ago, Dr. Keith Smith, co-founder and managing partner of the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, took an initiative that would only be considered radical in the health care industry: He posted online a list of prices for 112 common surgical procedures. The 51-year-old Smith, a self-described libertarian, and his business partner, Dr. Steve Lantier, founded the Surgery Center 15 years ago, after they became disillusioned with the way patients were treated at St. Anthony Hospital in Oklahoma City, where the two men worked as anesthesiologists. In 1997, Smith and Lantier bought the shell of a former surgical center with the aim of creating a for-profit facility that could deliver first-rate care at a fraction of what traditional hospitals charge.

    The major cause of exploding U.S. heath care costs is the third-party payer system, a text-book concept in which A buys goods or services from B that are paid for by C. Because private insurance companies or the government generally pick up most of the tab for medical services, patients don't have the normal incentive to seek out value.

    The Surgery Center's consumer-driven model could become increasingly common as Americans look for alternatives to the traditional health care market—an unintended consequence of Obamacare. Patients may have no choice but to look outside the traditional health care industry in the face of higher costs and reduced access to doctors and hospitals.
     
  2. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    Sure, What could possibly go wrong?

    Why do you continually wade in just to embarrass due to your underlyling information deficit ritzy?

    Grown ups been thinking about these problems for decades, you're in the youtube phase of research - who do you think has a more grounded view? I'll hang up and listen, thx.
     
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  3. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Actually Sam...........he did post a story about people who are DOING something.............not writing about something.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    So if rtsy posts a youtube video of him smacking himself in the groin with a tire iron, as he is wont to do for fun, and I post "hey idiot, that's gonna hurt" - he's got the upper hand by kinetic virtue.

    That sound you heard btw was the Arrow whoooshing over your head...
     
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  5. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Well...........you surely won this round.
     
  6. Major

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    How exactly is this a good system?

    They list prices - of course, those prices don't include all sorts of things from diagnostics to complications. And their procedures are outside the price range of most people.

    An ACL, for example, costs $7000 - not including the MRIs and other pre-op stuff or any of the post-op stuff. And you have to pay it all in advance. And, of course, this setup is completely unhelpful in the case of an emergency like a car wreck or a sudden or long-term issue like cancer.

    In what world is this better than insurance?
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    What an idiotic idea.

    Of course the OP is wrong, since Obamacare doesn't take over health care.
     
  8. Rocketman1981

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    The problem with even physicians trying to do things outside the matrix in healthcare is that because its government and insurance money, even the equipment has excruciatingly high margins.

    Or the re-fill the X-ray machines, or the medical equipment etc. all has inflated costs as there is a lack of efficiency in the system combined with a majority of physicians offices being underperforming and inefficient small businesses.

    I think the best things happening in medicine nowadays are the mini-clinic's at Wal-Mart and Walgreens which are bringing the scalable efficiency in healthcare management.
     
  9. Realjad

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    Translation: Clutchfans has a legit liberal version of Basso
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Translation, realjad is scared of real economics

    I hereby invite you to come at me. Brother.
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    I think rtsy is more the libertarian version of Basso.

    Find article on RSS feed. (Reason.tv in rtsy's case, freerepublic for basso)

    Post article with one liner to Clutchfans.

    ????

    PROFIT!


    If we had anybody who posted everything they saw on thinkprogress it'd get pretty damn old after a while, too.
     
  12. CrazyDave

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    Ahhhh so it's a profit deal.

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    Got it, so 15 years ago they became disenchanted with Obamacare and have now put in place a system that they think is better. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Fool the guesser, win some crap!
     
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  13. Rashmon

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    I pay my dentist in 2 kilogram bricks of chocolate. We use the barter system.
     
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  14. Nook

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    It isn't better than insurance and it does not really address the issue of cost and the amount of people in thie country that have inadequate health care.

    Then again that is not the OP's point, all he wants to do is complain.
     
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    The funny thing is that if you removed the OP's intended bias from it, it almost sounds like he's making an argument for a single-payer healthcare system.
     
  16. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    I didn't see it that way. I'm not sure if he's advocating anything at all as he only has one sentence of his own, but it sounds more too me like he's advocating self insurance. I would think that in the realm of healthcare, that would only be feasible for people who are both very wealthy and very foolish.

    What bothers me is that there is something wrong with out current system that provides the economic feasibility that allows this company to even exist......and apparently profit for almost 15 years. I don't see how Obamacare addresses the root cause of the problem that allows a company such as this to exist. I guess the argument is that healthcare costs could come down if everyone receiving healthcare is insured. But someone has to absorb the costs of making sure everyone is insured. Seems like we're just pushing dollars around (instead of paying higher premiums, we pay more for goods and services from smaller mid-size business owners and business owners who haven't historically provided health coverage to employees) without addressing the inefficiencies in the system. We'll still have uninsured people, just not as many, but we'll pay higher prices elsewhere. Oh well.......I guess that's the main goal. It isn't really a problem if you can't see it.
     

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