Agree to disagree. If a player believes he can outperform his contract after 3 years and get more I don't believe that should be a dealbreaker. Again at the end of the day we got Lin (average) for the 3 years and the Suns got Dragic (above average) for 3 maybe 4 years. So you agree with me? They had success with Pau Gasol @ the four... Battier is a piece of the puzzle. To be clear during Gasol & Battier's run they won zero playoff games. Dragic, Harden & Lee = would have been Best the Backcourt in the NBA Ok....I'll amend the last one to firing RA
honestly how much better was lee going to make us this year or in the future? You have to remember when the decision to let go of lee was made we had martin and lamb on the roster. I believe that move was made to get lamb more playing time. this whole gay for battier trade was ofcourse going to look bad in the long run. anytime you trade for a veteran while giving up a rookie, you are going to look bad if you dont win the championship which we obviously did not. But at the time when you had 2 legit superstars that demanded the ball it was absolutely the best move to make. You got a glue guy who played shut down defense and could knock the open shot. They were basically trying to get their own bruce bowen, ask the spurs how much that helped them in their championships. Had Yao and tmac stayed healthy they would have made some noise with battier playing with them, trouble is they never could stay healthy. Look at their record when they were healthy and tell me it was a bad move
What's the difference? One is misjudging talent, the other is misjudging health. Is picking Royce worse than the Bobcats picking Adam Morrison? One won't play, the other you don't want to play. And I think you're overestimating the value of the 16th pick. You're lucky to get a role player anywhere outside the lottery. If we drafted Royce with the 60th pick, would you even care about this? He wasn't a lotto pick, we're not relying on him to be our star. They took a gamble on his talent and have potentially lost. It happens. And don't forget we got this pick from the Knicks as a bonus for Tmac's expiring contract. This isn't like trading three picks for Eddie Griffin. We have more picks and youth than we know what to do with. If this all works out, great. If not, no biggie. We surrendered nothing.
No, but trying & failing is better than not trying. We're not judging him on the Carroll Dawson scale, the Morey scale has a much higher floor for "worst"; He's the guy who usually collects picks rather than wastes them.
we had three mid-first round picks.... im COMPLETELY fine with this gamble on morey's part. royce has the skillset to be a star in this league. hes very hard to guard. very unique skillset. so what, we wasted the 16th pick on him. there's been a lot worse picks. terrance ross at 8? tristan thompson the year before at 4? im fine with him taking royce at 16. esp. with 2 other 1st rounders at the time, and another coming in with d-mo
No, at the end of the day we got Harden with max cap space next year for another big name. The Suns got Dragic. No, I don't agree with you. If x number of years down the line that pick turns into something amazing, you may have a point, but as of right now, who cares? Incorrect http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/grizzlies-upset-spurs-game-6_n_855813.html With Battier they upset the Spurs, with same roster except Gay instead of Battier http://www.tampabay.com/sports/clippers-finally-eliminate-grizzlies/1229973 Jordan, Drexler and Olajuwon would of been a dynasty. What is your point? Morey's system brought in Lowry, brought in Brooks, brought in Dragic, brought in Lin, brought in Lee, brought in Martin. He has zero problem finding guys on cusp of breakout. Adelman wasn't fired, his contract was up.
What would have happened if they kept Lin last summer? I'd say we would have locked him up for cheap. We would have paid more to keep Dragic. Lowry would still be traded because of him being disgruntled. So everything equal, we would have Dragic-Lin instead of Lin-Douglas as our rotation PGs. This, of course, is pure speculation. But that IMO would be the most probable case. I believe after Lin had showed his worth in NY, Morey was thinking the same thing.
It was a (very) high risk, high reward move. It backfired but perhaps with 2 other mid-first round picks selected in the draft, he felt it was one worth taking.
I think so far, Morey's biggest fail is not locking up dragic. But I think Morey's done a good job overall.
I have noticed when teams have multiple #1's, even very good drafting teams have some epic whiffs. Most likely White will be dealt or released soon. However striking out on your mid first rounder isn't a surprising or killer proposition. Further, Morey let his coaches have input and McHale wanted him. It shows trust in your staff. Yes White had all the signs of failure, but McHale liked him and he had drafted Garnett, Szerbiak, Love and Pekovic. You win some and you lose some.
A player like White slides down the board until he gets to a team that has enough other options in the works to roll the dice on him. That team was us. Sometimes you get a prince, sometimes you get a frog. Next.
Royce was a 16th pick, you guys act like he is a lottery pick. The only guarantee in NBA Draft should be the #1 pick and it is not a guarantee either, we all know what happen to Kwame Brown. Rockets 4-4, Suns 4-5 (will be 4-6 against Lakers) and Raptors 2-6, can you tell me why Lin is already a bad choice? Biggest fail of Morey is spending IPad money, or whatever money thrown to Bosh, Gortat, or other free-agents to coherse them to come, only have them use their agents to get more money from other teams. It feels like we are doormats to other teams.
I've wanted to say this to you for a while. It may have been fine to use David Stern as a username in 2008, but now??? I mean the only thing I have with David Stern on it is my Spalding basketball, and that's because once in a while, I just want to go outside and pound it to death. I'm just kidding :grin: I want to change my username to something else too ... but then I'd be automatically judged as a LOF.
What Royce doesn't realize is, although he's trying to paint himself as this crusader for mental illness, what he's really doing is setting people with anxiety back significantly amongst NBA circles. He's being so difficult that the next guy with similar issues isn't getting drafted at all. Look at the reaction in this thread alone; he's already being considered Morey's worst ever move by many people! Way to champion your cause there.
