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Westbrook vs Harden

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by heypartner, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. KingLeoric

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    I blame Brooks, Popovich would've never ever allowed this.
     
  2. rolyat93

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    At 1:25 he says "We have a lot of similarities in our game"
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  3. rolyat93

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    Skip ahead 2 on the embedded one and it should show.


    I don't know why it linked that way, but here's the link to the vid of DWade speaking.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8De6R7Uag&list=UUWqPfqBlTpYShHCBTRi_Jpg&index=3&feature=plcp
     
  4. cjtaylorpt

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    :grin::grin:
     
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    Thanks, so i was right. This is what Wade said: "He has a lot of similar things that I had in my FROM THE STANDPOINT in terms of the way he gets into the paint/penetration so." And I stated so. And that's where the similarities end, as MANY guards use the pick and roll to get into the paint.

    Wade posts up, Harden doesn't. Wade plays a much more physical brand of basketball, Harden doesn't. Wade is arguably the best shot-blocking guard in the history of the NBA, Harden isn't. Wade is a terrible 3pt shooter, Harden is near elite -> Harden takes 6-7 3s a game; WAde is lucky to make 1 a game.
     
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    It's a few games into the season. Is it clear Miami should not have gotten RAy Allen b/c their defense is 9 points worse when he's on the court?

    Kevin Martin is a huge part of OKC when it's all said and done. It's very difficult most of the time to integrate that type of player into the system, plus adding more playmaking responsibilities onto your other 2 best players. Not only will WB/KD will have to adjust and most likely they eventually will, but Kevin Martin will be more comfortable 2-3 months down the line.

    NOTHING is pretty clear right now. What's clear is some teams have played extremely well for a 5-7 game stretch, and other teams haven't.
     
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    At the age of 23, Wade only blocks .3 more blocks than Harden at the age of 23...
     
  8. t_mac1

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    And that was when Wade was a rookie. And he's an inch shorter.

    And Wade is easily considered the more explosive finisher/player and dunker.

    Again, if we use the criteria of using pick and rolls to get to the rim to differentiate guards, it's going to be very hard. Basically every decent guard you can list in this league use the pick and roll and split them to get into the paint. CP3/Manu/WB/Drose/Rondo/Dwill are some names you can list off the top of your head. Bledsoe himself split the pick and roll double teams many times last night vs Miami and got to the rim at will.
     
  9. DaGreatest

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    true but Durant has to take some blame also.. ironically, it was that fateful game in Memphis when KD tried to check Westbrick about taking too many shots and Russell threw a tantrum in return

    Since that day, Durant has avoided any confrontations with Westbrook. That is very weak on Durants part, it shows a lack of backbone and alpha male attitude that his talent validates.

    You think Jordan wouldve allowed Pippen to talk back and CONTINUOUSLY do whatever he wanted? Kobe? Lebron? D Wade when he checked Gary Payton?

    Durant is a little weak IMO, he should put Russell in his place once and for all, but Brooks should step in since its clear Kevin cant handle it
     
  10. LBJ-Tmac

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    You are most definitely correct.

    It also doesn't help that Westbrick really sucks at basketball and has terrible I.Q.

    Guy gonna stink it up if he ever loses his athleticism or gets injured, worse than 95% of starting point guards at stop up shooting, passing and tempo control.
     
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    I am just using your own argument against you. You used Wade being one of the greatest blocking shooting guards ever. I simply showed you the stats. You can call him shorter or whatever it is you want to use to defend your stance, but the fact is at age 23 he only blocked .3 more than Harden. Now if you take into consideration third year blocks, they are equal and play about the same MPG, which hurts your argument even more.

    I am not going to try too hard to defend the comparison, because frankly I don't care too. But don't throw out random **** that is easily found one or two clicks away and expect not to get called out on it.
     
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    Lol, he said they have a similar game because they do. They work off penetration.
     
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    Expect a Change in Kevin Durant’s Substitution Pattern
    I approve of this change and wonder why it took this long to figure this out. (Didn't feel it deserve its own thread, so I just picked one of the anti WB threads.)
     
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    harden fits our system better and seems to be more efficient. although i agree wb is a beast of a player, you can also argue that the defense has to also spread the attention to another guy named durant. if you put harden in wb's spot, i'm pretty confident he'd be a matchup problem too.
     
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    Brooks' solution: take out Durant so Wesbtrook can shoot even more.

    Sounds awesome!
     
  17. JayZ750

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    haha. I like Brooks, but this was my thought exactly. I'm sure KD will still get his minutes, but the strategy just seems backwards. Why wouldn't you bring Maynor in earlier and sub out Westbrook?
     
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    our coaching staff can take some notes on this substitution pattern.
     
  19. ParaSolid

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    Both are elite players at getting to the ring. Hence, Wade's comment. It's not hard to figure it out.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    A lot of players are elite at getting to the rim. Most elite perimeter players are. Was Tracy McGrady a similar player to Wade? Was a prime Kobe Bryant similar to Wade? Is Rondo similar to Wade?

    The original post I responded to was a poster claiming Harden is going to be the next Dwayne Wade. Outside of using pick and rolls to attack the rim, their games are not similar at all.

    WB is in a shooting slump. I'm sure this strategy is to help him find his groove. He's shooting 39.5% so far, and that's ridiculously bad for a high volume shooter. OKC needs him to score, but they also need him to score at an efficient clip. At least other parts of his game are pretty good (rebounds/assists).
     

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