Kelvin Sampson discusses the Rockets' growth on offense, the Jeremy Lin-James Harden

No, You tell me. You clearly mentioned in your previous post that Assist number is the most important stats for a PG, and Lin averaged 6.4 to Lowry's 6.3.

Does that mean Lin's better than Lowry? Or at least they are as good?

Keep digging your own hole.

 

You know you guys are arguing the same point. Jeremy had played like an avg point at best. So looking at numbers is not going to prove anything else. By we know this is likely the product of the current system and/or his passivity.

What I wanna see how will his numbers looks when he is given a bigger role leading this offense as the primary ball handler. Will he ever get the chance? Will see if anything else changes tonight.

 

So you agree with me. So what exactly are we arguing about?

 

Are you really that dumb? Since when has "the most important" been the same as "the only one"???

 

I would guess nothing to change tonight. I hope I am wrong.

 

I'm simply pointing out your illogical analysis towards Lin's performance and your inability to interpret numbers/advanced stats properly.

I agree with the conclusions which is Lin has been average so far, but doesnt mean your approach was correct.

 

Go read your own post, you listed 19 PGs ahead of Lin using only "Assist numbers".

You did, I was simply playing along.

 

Actually, I would disagree based upon your argument.

IF you are arguing that Lin's offensive production is "average" for a point guard, that is only half the equation.

Would you also argue that his defensive production is "average"?

Synergy Stats has him rated as one of the best defenders in the league this season based upon PPP allowed. He also has one of the highest steal rates in the League, as well as one of the highest rebound rates among point guards.

If you have 2 PG's with similar offensive production, and one is a superior defender to the other, does that not make the superior defender the superior Point Guard by definition?

If you have average offense, and above average to very good defense, doesn't that by definition make him an above average Point Guard? Or are you measuring his offense in a vacuum?

Using your logic, Lin is still an above average point guard, who happens to be producing offensively at an average level for a Starting Point guard.

Just some stuff to consider...

 

It is funny I started this discussion. I was saying that part of the reason why Lin's FG% is average is because of his ridiculously low usage. Every other aspect of his game has been solid to amazing.

That is why I disagree that he has been playing average so far. Honestly he has been playing above his pay grade if you compare the averages of players last year who are getting paid the same as him this year. Factor in his low USG (if it were to increase & there was the inevitable uptick in his FG%) & his deal would be a steal.

 

Agree to disagree.

His number shows mediocrecy but like I said, there are other factors and I have confidence that he will improve given his track record and work ethic.

 

Facts are facts he has been playing at his pay grade. If you compare the season averages of players last year who are getting paid the same as him this year to his current average they are identical. Small sample size of course.

 

Hey buddy. Lowry told you to F off. He gave you the middle finger. He told you to stuff it and he does not want to play for you. Lowry is like the hotter chick in the room but wants nothing to do with you. So get over it. support who is on your team instead of dissing him.

Lin is playing up to his average salary. As for lowry, we all know the rockets got a steal on him. He will get his due this coming free agency.

 

Seriously. Lowry (and Dragic) both wanted out of HOU and people are still pining for them.

Anyway, check out those stats huh. Considering Lin is paired with a high scoring playmaker and playing the pure PG role I'd say his numbers are excellent. And his defense is leagues better than last year. Totally transformed player, still progressing.

 

Fixed.

 

nicely said, repped

 

I am hoping things will be different in this game as I honestly feel Harden will get antsy.

 

sorry folks. I'll have to take back what i said. lin is a BELOW average pg.

and i may have to edit my list and include toney Douglas in the "arguably better" list...


joking aside, i seriously don't know how anybody can defend him with a straight face after tonights game.

i mean, ok, so what if coach asked him to defer to the best player on the team? does that mean you have to get rid of the ball any time you touch it like a hot potato? does that mean you have to stand in the corner waving your hans for the ball, and when you do get it don't know what to do with it? did the coach tell you to miss layup after layup too?

I'm sure the other guys have to defer to harden too. but we saw mook waved off harden and nailed a buzzer beater. we saw parsons keep missing yet keep driving in and keep taking open shots. we saw toney d sure didn't lose his confidence.

those guys have IT. lin obvious doesn't.

 

It's not about deferring, no one had any problem deferring to each other. They played well together the first 2 games handling their own duty, they mixed things up. Harden went iso a few times he also spot up quite a few times as well. Lin also did his thing by running the offence with ball in his hands.

 

Knee meet jerk.

As the stats guys like to say so often, SAMPLE SIZE.