LOL Morey or our owner will not trade their money maker Lin,this is still a business can't see us trading Lin.
Eh, there is actually a lot of value to be gained if this young team were to be able to get into the playoffs and win some games or even a series (as opposed to the last couple of years where there was no point in making the playoffs). Pau would certainly help do that this year and then you'd have next summer up until the trade deadline to try to trade him should the right deal come along. If not, you let him walk after next year and the cap space is still there. The only negative would be that a team trading a star player might not even want to pay his prorated $19 million for part of a season and instead would prefer to take back less salary from a team under the cap. I wouldn't give up a ton for him though -- Patterson, Jones, and filler while giving them some cap relief.
Yay- trade for an aging soft player who blocks our best young prospects while trading away the best player at our weakest position who happens to be young and has upside on a team that's squarely rebuilding! Brilliant!
Perfect analysis by ricksmith...This is what it comes down to... we can have cap-space this off-season and make a run at either cp3 or dwight or bynum, but the prospects of us landing one of them is slim... bynum is our best shot and i dont want him because of MAJOR injury concerns... than you have a player like josh smith(who i personally like) that most people bash and dont want... we can sign him, and the odds are decent we could land him, but does he make us a contender? no... albeit we would be closer... that leaves us with the prospect of signing solid role players to flexible contracts and gathering up more assets in hopes of the next big player/dominoe to fall... so you have two options: you can use your cap space this offseason on someone like jsmoov or bigAl or you buy a few role players... option two is you trade for pau this deadline, have less cap space this off-season but still able to sign a few decent role players(assets for big trade)... option two(trading for pau) is a very good idea no matter how much you hate him and how much he might not want to be here... because of many factors... - his trade value is at a low(buy low sell high) because of age and high cap hit... - his contract becomes expiring when the bigger names out there will start to shake loose; love, LA, cousins, monroe, etc.. arent going anywhere this season... - hes a great technical player who relys on post moves not elite athleticism, as rick stated... his game might start to slip but it wont dissapear or diminish such as a webber or kemp when they lost thier athleticism...great comparisons to scola and duncan by rickysmiths... - expiring contracts are very valuable, the higher the better, because it helps a team trying to restart a fresh minus off the books... - he very well could add a great veteran leadership on and off the court... - we need players with salary in order to trade for a max player like love or LA... assets are great and definately required, but if you cant make the salaries match it wont work out... you cant send out 6-7 players jus to recieve one or two back, it makes your team extremely thin and not enough players on the roster while the other team has way too many players and now has to make cuts resulting in penalties and a waste of money... im actually on board with trading for gasol after i vehemently was against it not soo long ago... it makes perfect sense when you scan the way the nba is likely gonna shape out...
Filler? Besides young PFs, one who may turn out to be good when this team should be peaking, what filler would you give up that wouldn't be a negative that would make the salary work? Pau is too old for this team. Pau is overpaid for what he brings. Paul would only get us a first round bounce. I wouldn't give up the filler much less Jones.
The problem is: who do we have that we can trade for Pau. The salaries won`t work. And we have to give up a lot to get him - and we are kinda low on assets right now. Lin/Harden/Asik is our core right now - of course, everyone of them is expendable for the right deal, but the loss would hurt us. If we want Pau or another player like him, we need to give up at least one of those 3 and close to 10 million worth of salaries in other players. That means basically all our promising young players. And I´m still not sure that would get it done. Basically we would have a very gutted roster with only a couple of quality players and be nowhere near contending this year. The question is, what will help us most in the future? We got capspace now - but probably noone the fanbase is willing to give the max to (Im assuming that CP3, Howard and Bynum won`t sign here). We got very little assets for a trade. So, are we screwed? I hope not. We got the first major piece in Harden, and that`s always the most difficult piece to get. Now Morey needs to do what he does best and that is get assets and cap space...
Actually the salaries could very easily work, i dont the the specifics of.the cba and im def not bimathug but since were under the cap(by 7mill) and the lakers are in the tax we would only have to send out around half of the salary returning, again not exact but this is my rough interpretation... No one wants gasol, i understand, i didnt either... but if you checl out the landscape its quite intrigueing...gasol is likely a top 25 player still and its not like he sucks now... people would love to have scola next to asik, well pau is 2x better and go figure he makes 2x the money... Gasol could be had for cheap... salary relief, a prospect or two and a draft pick likely.. i can see something like ppat/morris/douglas/2nd for pau... I woild do that easily...
To all the Gasol supporters Remember him as the motivated guy in Memphis.... well he showed up in LA at the beginning however at the end the two championships have mellowed this guy... Basically we give near max to a guy who can give us solid numbers, more offense than Asik, shore up our D Again he'll most probably get us into the playoffs but in those 2 years I don't see him tutoring your youngs What young PF did he help develop down in Tinseltown?
Look i understand ge was un-motivated after winning the rings and what not but whats the biggest incentive for players? Thier next contract... gasol will be lookin at makin his last contract at the same time we will be shopping him... The point is as you said yourself, he brings alot more offense in the post than asik while shoring up our D... He will help us make the playoffs, and makin the playoffs is more valuable than landing at 14... Your arguement of what young pfs has he tutored while in LA? Yell me what legit PF prospects have they ever had? Jordan hill is as close as it gets and hes improved... Everyone would like to trade for bad contracts in exchange for draft picks or keep thier salary for a max this off-season... i understand both those arguements but you have to be realistic... Do you think morey will slaughter cap flexibility for.a draft pick? No... hed rather buy a 2nd and than flip that player for.a 1st all the while keeping flexibility... Do you honestly think we will sign dwight, cp3 or bynum this off-season? Highly highly unlikely, maybe bynum but i dont know if hes worth the risk anymore... that means we can pay a player like jsmoov, bigAl, millsap etc to come here, but does that make us contenders? No... does it make us better than having gasol? No... the problem is we'd be signaling that signing as a part of our future, whereas gasol is obviously a stopgap in order to progress this team...
We are under the cap, meaning we don't have to match the salary. But after further review, it's a longshot anyway. We'd have to give up Patterson, Cook, Aldrich, Douglas, and Morris or Jones to make it work with our remaining cap room. I think he'd be good for this team to help them grow but we'd be depleting our already thin bench to do it AND taking on salary, obviously.
The only way a Gasol trade would make sense is if the team thinks they can win a championship in the next 2 years. Looking at the NBA landscape right now, that doesn't look very favorable. We would have to give up too many players to make the Gasol deal happen, who would we be left with? As it stands right now the Rockets have limited depth, trade for Gasol and we have even less depth than we do already. I think the Rockets are still a good 3 years away from being an elite team with the current roster, plus adding some fillers along the way. This is not necessarily a bad thing because odds are that the Heat will probably win 2 of the next three championships, maybe OKC/Dallas/San Antonio sneak in and grab one in the next couple of year. After that, we will be an up and coming team ready to take over the west, if the Texans organization has taught us anything it has taught us that you have to be patient when building a contending team. The Rockets have made some good moves, we're the youngest team in the league and we need to give these youngsters more time before we know how good we can be. Just my $2.50.
Exactly. Even though some of those are a "so what", I'd hate to lose all that for what - a 1st round bounce?
Looking at the two rosters, a trade for Gasol could be done. Difficult but possible. Given roster sizes and whatnot, you'd also have to take on about four small-salary players from the Lakers. And the Lakers would need to be interested in Cole Aldridge, Dequan (sp?) Cook, Ppat, Morris. Unless a third team were involved somehow. Unless we gave up Lin (won't happen) or Asik (won't happen). Pau's skills and IQ are excellent. The Rox could use his passing and scoring. And the Lakers could use Ppat's and Morris' scoring. Just seems like a complicated situation for a 32 year-old player. If Pau were two years younger, I'd say, sure, try. But he isn't. If the Wolves knew Kevin Love was unhappy there, and if they still wanted Pau to keep Rubio happy and sell tickets to the 11 native Spanish speakers in the Minneapolis area, you could send Pau and our other PFs there in a 3 way and take back Love and Kirilenko....Oh, never mind, this isn't the "trades that won't ever happen" thread.
I've said this many times and no one has listened and now that we are bringing up Gasol it has come to the point where it is nearly ridiculous. Why don't we go after Bargnani? He is 5 years younger than Gasol and plays a lot like him except he still is young. If we can develop his post moves with McHale, him and Asik would dominate the paint. Plus he is about 6 million dollars cheaper than Gasol is.
