TURNOVERS - Mythbusting and TO Tracker

you should have mentioned Jure Holiday who is playing like "Linsanity" recently...

5.3 TOV per game so far...

 

I wouldn't waste your time OP...a lot of ppl here a like parrots spewing out the same old crap in regards to lin without any sufficient data to back it up.

 

I'll even bet some ppl will get on here saying that Knight "destroyed" Lin today by citing the stats regardless of the fact that most of Knight's points came in garbage time and against TD. Lin had in on lockdown today.

 

sorry typo..."..Lin had him* on lockdown today."

 

it aint about T/O
its all about the W

 

Panda23 I love that quote by Gretsky. Someone should tell that to Lin.

 

Mythbusting is not mythbusting without......

 

he better have less to's spotting for a corner 3 than being the play maker.

 

I love how Lin's turnovers are so overblown. He had an extremely high usage rate last year. Jrue Holiday's leading the league in turnovers and I have no doubt his usage rate is extremely high right now.

 

Jlin would have to play perfect basketball to satisfy the haters. Even then, it would be because he played against weak competition, e.g. any excuse to not break their ego and insecurity.

 

Yes. Lin has lower TOs. Good..... Now back to studying for your chemistry exam. projecting yourself on Lin is not healthy because sooner or later you have to go out and face the real world and Lin will not be there for you.

Lin's TO average will even out after 82 games. The bright side is so are his points, steals, rebounds and assists. Watch.

 

Its early in the season, but here are a few stats for PGs who've played at least 20 min/g and at least 4 games (40 in all).

     Player Name       Tm      GP    Min    AST   TO     MPG     AST/36  TOV/36 A:T     TOV%    PPR
1    Chris Paul        LAC     6     198    64    13     33.0    11.6    2.4    4.9     13.1    14.8
2    Rajon Rondo       BOS     5     211    70    16     42.2    11.9    2.7    4.4     18.4    14.5
3    Jason Kidd        NYK     4     81     14    1      20.3    6.2     0.4    14.0    4.7     10.6
4    Darren Collison   DAL     6     196    44    10     32.7    8.1     1.8    4.4     12.1    9.6
5    Greivis Vasquez   NOR     5     168    44    15     33.6    9.4     3.2    2.9     18.0    9.0
6    Tony Parker       SAS     6     177    46    15     29.5    9.4     3.1    3.1     15.0    8.9
7    Jarrett Jack      GSW     6     148    27    5      24.7    6.6     1.2    5.4     10.1    8.6
8    Goran Dragic      PHO     6     202    47    14     33.7    8.4     2.5    3.4     14.0    8.4
9    Kemba Walker      CHA     4     129    22    4      32.3    6.1     1.1    5.5     5.6     8.3
10   Mario Chalmers    MIA     6     172    36    10     28.7    7.5     2.1    3.6     18.1    8.3
11   Brandon Jennings  MIL     4     134    38    14     33.5    10.2    3.8    2.7     17.9    8.2
12   Jeff Teague       ATL     4     112    29    11     28.0    9.3     3.5    2.6     18.5    7.6
13   Russell Westbrook OKC     6     204    46    16     34.0    8.1     2.8    2.9     11.7    7.2
14   Ramon Sessions    CHA     4     108    22    7      27.0    7.3     2.3    3.1     11.9    7.2
15   Ty Lawson         DEN     6     222    44    14     37.0    7.1     2.3    3.1     12.8    6.7
16   Raymond Felton    NYK     4     124    27    11     31.0    7.8     3.2    2.5     17.8    5.8
17   Rodney Stuckey    DET     6     193    27    7      32.2    5.0     1.3    3.9     9.3     5.7
18   Mo Williams       UTH     6     199    38    14     33.2    6.9     2.5    2.7     13.5    5.6
19   Kyle Lowry        TOR     4     119    25    10     29.8    7.6     3.0    2.5     16.1    5.6
20   Jose Calderon     TOR     5     114    17    5      22.8    5.4     1.6    3.4     11.0    5.5
21   Nate Robinson     CHI     5     105    23    10     21.0    7.9     3.4    2.3     17.0    5.0
22   Damian Lillard    POR     5     189    36    15     37.8    6.9     2.9    2.4     14.7    4.8
23   Brandon Knight    DET     6     193    39    18     32.2    7.3     3.4    2.2     21.0    4.2
24   A.J. Price        WAS     4     131    26    12     32.8    7.1     3.3    2.2     19.4    4.1
25   Jrue Holiday      PHI     5     197    52    27     39.4    9.5     4.9    1.9     24.2    4.0
26   Steve Blake       LAL     6     169    20    7      28.2    4.3     1.5    2.9     17.2    3.8
27   George Hill       IND     6     216    31    13     36.0    5.2     2.2    2.4     13.0    3.6
28   Mike Conley Jr.   MEM     5     166    32    16     33.2    6.9     3.5    2.0     21.1    3.1
29   Aaron Brooks      SAC     6     128    12    4      21.3    3.4     1.1    3.0     7.1     3.1
<font style="background:yellow;color:black">30&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jeremy&nbsp;Lin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;HOU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;182&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;31&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;36.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;19.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.5</font>
31&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Andre&nbsp;Miller&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DEN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;156&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;26.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;23.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.3
32&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Randy&nbsp;Foye&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;UTH&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;155&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;25.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.7
33&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Deron&nbsp;Williams&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BKN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;137&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;29&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;18&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;34.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;24.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.0
34&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyrie&nbsp;Irving&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;209&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;39&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;25&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;34.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;16.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.5
35&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Monta&nbsp;Ellis&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MIL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;141&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;20&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;35.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13.7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.2
36&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tyreke&nbsp;Evans&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;SAC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;206&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;19&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;34.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-0.2
37&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Luke&nbsp;Ridnour&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;137&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;27.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;20.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-0.8
38&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Shannon&nbsp;Brown&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PHO&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;132&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;22.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;13.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-3.4
39&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;C.J.&nbsp;Watson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BKN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;94&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;23.5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;25.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-4.0
40&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Isaiah&nbsp;Thomas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;SAC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;145&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;24.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;21.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-6.9

Lin's Rankings:
Pure-Point&nbsp;Rating:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;30/40
Turnover&nbsp;%:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;31/40
Assist/Turnover&nbsp;Ratio:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;30/40
Turnovers&nbsp;per&nbsp;minute:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;24/40

 

After reading his alot of his posts I gotta agree. He's attached himself with Lin so much, that any criticism becomes a personal attack.

I think you might want to read pretty much ALL your posts and see who is the overdefensive, insecure ego here.

 

I hate being presented with logical arguements. That means I have to go research a couterarguement. That's not how the Internet works!

 

I just noticed that the stats didn't include last night's game, where Lin had 8 assists and 0 turnovers. So, his rankings probably improved.

 

Out of curiosity, which site did you use for those stats?

 

Hoopdata.com. The link is in my signature. PPR and TOV% I calculated myself, though.

 

Thanks. Yeah I was looking through your sig and wondering where you found the PPR.

I dowish basketball-reference would distinguish between PG/SG and SF/PF. I tried to pick out PGs by only looking at players with 20+ MPG and 30+ AST% which worked decently but only found 28 players.

 

I wish he would actually attack more even if he has to turn it over a little bit more. He plays too passive now. Turned a good point guard into an average spot up shooter.