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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 11/9/2012

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 8, 2012.

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rockmanslim said: ↑

Dragic carried that team to victory, back from a 26 point deficit.
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against Cavaliers................Memphis or Denver is not Cavaliers......

#1681 Lorenzomax, Nov 9, 2012

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maximus1234 said: ↑

until harden realized that he is nota pg, we will continue to lose.
until mchale stop telling lin to pass and stand in the corner, we will lose
until we start playing pick and roll, we, will not win
watch lins team last year, completel different than the way we play
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#1682 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012
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Alex L. said: ↑

Who carries around stacks of $1 notes like that?
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strippers.

#1683 Mr. Space City, Nov 9, 2012
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Harden must be angry at McHale and a bit frustrated at himself as well. Haha in our organization only he has the power to get McHale fired. Hopefully he makes his intentions clear to Morey.

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not a concern for me. I want Harden to take more shots, 20+ per game, even he makes only 5 of them. It is the necessary process of development.

What concerns me is that Morey will still be the GM of this club for a few more years. (( Yucky, more picks waiting.

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RedOnRed said: ↑

Harden 80 mil....
Lin 25 mil....

I'm pretty disappointed at Harden bolting...too early in the season for that stuff man
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i agree.. u gotta take the good with the bad.

#1686 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012
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caneks said: ↑

not a concern for me. I want Harden to take more shots, 20+ per game, even he makes only 5 of them. It is the necessary process of development.

What concerns me is that Morey will still be the GM of this club for a few more years. (( Yucky, more picks waiting.
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The same should apply to LIn as the second scoring option. It is the necessary process of development of him as well.

#1687 Solidz75, Nov 9, 2012

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I now hope the Rockets do the McHale during Harden's/Lin's young years what the Lakers did to Paul Westhead during Magic Johnson's young years......... I liked him has a player, but I now think coaching is over his head.

#1688 tkrieger, Nov 9, 2012
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knote32 said: ↑

It starts with Jeremy Lin, who can barely get the ball up the court, let alone run an offense like an NBA point guard making 12 million a year. That, and he can't shoot. No one doubts his hustle, but his talent level is beginning to scare me. This makes "LINSANITY" even more crazy. How could someone this awful at offense score so many damn points? D'Antoni?

Harden looks awful. Lazy jogging and bad decision making. He played better in the second half when he started making simple plays, instead of trying to hit homeruns every single time. He needs to get back to simplicity and running the wing hard.

Chandler/Patrick are solid roleplayers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Omer Asik is worth every single penny of his 12 million. That said, it is obvious that we need to get some more scorers at every other position.

As for Kevin McHale, I am losing faith. There is no reason that we can't watch some film on some D'Antoni pick and roll. Jeremy Lin and James Harden are having to work way too hard. It shouldn't be like that.
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I stopped reading at 12 million a year.

#1689 Alex L., Nov 9, 2012
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Solidz75 said: ↑

I think teams are figuring out that if they stop harden, then they can stop the rockets.

That's why we need to get Jeremy more involved in scoring and taking shots. We are not developing him at all.
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He's throwing up terrible shots and when he should pass he doesn't. He keep dribbling and dribbling and run down the clock several time and then lose the ball.

Defenses are much tougher and so it is harder for him and Lin to drive to the lane.

#1690 gtmkcp, Nov 9, 2012
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Alex L. said: ↑

Who carries around stacks of $1 notes like that?
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james harden does

#1691 maximus1234, Nov 9, 2012
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Kwame said: ↑

Who the hell plays what basically amounts to a 7 man rotation at the beginning of the regular season, lol. Even the stubborn and offensively impotent JVG would play a legitimate 8 man rotation. Teams in the NBA Finals usually don't even play a 7 man rotation...smh at McHale, smdh, lol.
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#1692 Lorenzomax, Nov 9, 2012
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General game observations...

Offense was MUCH improved over last game. Alot more ball flow. Still alot of issues.

-Serious lack of screens and picks. You aren't going to be able to take advantage of good PnR players like Harden and Lin without solid picks and single/double screens. No idea wtf happened with PPat not dropping the pick when Lin called him over... forced him to shoot a contested 3 with 4s left on the clock. I expect McHale to seriously chew him out.

-Lin had 4 TO's, 1 was a travel, 2 were steals, 1 was Asik's pan hands. One TO you could see he lost focus and lost the dribble into Bayless. The other was just a straight out steal. It happens. Still, he shot 50%, put up 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals. 4 TO's for 37 mins really isn't bad at all. If he could have played 30ish mins, would be 3 TO's which is a decent number.

-Harden couldn't hit a shot to save his life tonight. It wasn't all double teaming... he just couldn't make baskets. 3 pointers, 2 pointers. Didn't matter... he was cold. He also had 5 TO's... at least 3 lazy/bad passes. It wasn't all ball pressure. Still, he played 40 mins, so it wasn't terrible there either.

-We need a backup PG badly. Lin and Harden played close to 40 minutes each. You're going to have dropoffs in play when you play such extended segments of minutes, especially toward the last portion of those minutes.

-BOTH teams played good defense overall. Seriously, the Rockets outshot Memphis in FG%, the Rockets had 17 assists to Memphis' 16 assists, we also out rebounded them 41-40. We shot a higher FT%... 14/15 vs 17/23, but got very FEW FT's in the 2nd half.

-Our help defense rotations on the PnR still need work. Improving, but need work. For those who think Lin should be single handedly stopping Conley (31 mins) AND Bayless (18 mins) when he's playing 40 minutes AND be screened off plays, PnR Defense is TEAM DEFENSE. It is NOT the sole responsibility of the PG, ESPECIALLY when they are repeatedly brushed off with blind Picks. Lin stayed with the opposing PG's for MOST of the game when he wasn't being brushed. The real question is where is the Help D? There should NEVER be an open lane behind the PG.

-Asik's offense was MUCH improved. More dunking is good. Stripped too often and too many bad passes (5 TO's).

-Parsons found his shot. Very nice. Patterson not so much.

-We lost the game in TO's, poor scoring by Harden and fastbreak points (20-2 in fastbreak points). The Rockets had 20 TO's. The Grizzlies had 9. Mostly it was sloppy passing and dropped passes.

Memphis is a seriously good defensive team. They're a playoff team, with lots of vets, multiple bigs, and not that much dropoff between the starters and the bench. Seriously... this team has played 5 games and it was within 2 in the last 3 minutes. WTH DO YOU GUYS EXPECT?

I saw alot of positives this game, and stuff to work on. Night and day vs last game. Can't ask for alot more than that.

Lin, Parsons and Asik all shot well. Delfino was a bit worse than usual but 33.33% isn't awful.

Too many sloppy passes, but I'll attribute part of that to misreads. Hard to account for passes to empty space as anything else.

It looked good considering the competition. I didn't expect a win from Memphis but close is acceptable with our 5th game.

These guys still need more time together, but you can see it's improving. For 5 games, I like what I'm seeing. McHale still needs to keep balancing the roles of Harden and Lin which should help considerably. Sorting out picks and more elaborate screens and sets to break Harden and Lin open should also help alot.

Getting a back up PG up to speed should help as well. And if the rest of the team find their shooting rhythm, that should help alot in terms of spacing.

A decent game and it should continue improving. :grin:
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Nice summary. Like reading your posts, minimalist with lots of meat.

#1693 rocketsfan7, Nov 9, 2012

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torocan said: ↑

General game observations...

Offense was MUCH improved over last game. Alot more ball flow. Still alot of issues.

-Serious lack of screens and picks. You aren't going to be able to take advantage of good PnR players like Harden and Lin without solid picks and single/double screens. No idea wtf happened with PPat not dropping the pick when Lin called him over... forced him to shoot a contested 3 with 4s left on the clock. I expect McHale to seriously chew him out.

-Lin had 4 TO's, 1 was a travel, 2 were steals, 1 was Asik's pan hands. One TO you could see he lost focus and lost the dribble into Bayless. The other was just a straight out steal. It happens. Still, he shot 50%, put up 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals. 4 TO's for 37 mins really isn't bad at all. If he could have played 30ish mins, would be 3 TO's which is a decent number.

-Harden couldn't hit a shot to save his life tonight. It wasn't all double teaming... he just couldn't make baskets. 3 pointers, 2 pointers. Didn't matter... he was cold. He also had 5 TO's... at least 3 lazy/bad passes. It wasn't all ball pressure. Still, he played 40 mins, so it wasn't terrible there either.

-We need a backup PG badly. Lin and Harden played close to 40 minutes each. You're going to have dropoffs in play when you play such extended segments of minutes, especially toward the last portion of those minutes.

-BOTH teams played good defense overall. Seriously, the Rockets outshot Memphis in FG%, the Rockets had 17 assists to Memphis' 16 assists, we also out rebounded them 41-40. We shot a higher FT%... 14/15 vs 17/23, but got very FEW FT's in the 2nd half.

-Our help defense rotations on the PnR still need work. Improving, but need work. For those who think Lin should be single handedly stopping Conley (31 mins) AND Bayless (18 mins) when he's playing 40 minutes AND be screened off plays, PnR Defense is TEAM DEFENSE. It is NOT the sole responsibility of the PG, ESPECIALLY when they are repeatedly brushed off with blind Picks. Lin stayed with the opposing PG's for MOST of the game when he wasn't being brushed. The real question is where is the Help D? There should NEVER be an open lane behind the PG.

-Asik's offense was MUCH improved. More dunking is good. Stripped too often and too many bad passes (5 TO's).

-Parsons found his shot. Very nice. Patterson not so much.

-We lost the game in TO's, poor scoring by Harden and fastbreak points (20-2 in fastbreak points). The Rockets had 20 TO's. The Grizzlies had 9. Mostly it was sloppy passing and dropped passes.

Memphis is a seriously good defensive team. They're a playoff team, with lots of vets, multiple bigs, and not that much dropoff between the starters and the bench. Seriously... this team has played 5 games and it was within 2 in the last 3 minutes. WTH DO YOU GUYS EXPECT?

I saw alot of positives this game, and stuff to work on. Night and day vs last game. Can't ask for alot more than that.

Lin, Parsons and Asik all shot well. Delfino was a bit worse than usual but 33.33% isn't awful.

Too many sloppy passes, but I'll attribute part of that to misreads. Hard to account for passes to empty space as anything else.

It looked good considering the competition. I didn't expect a win from Memphis but close is acceptable with our 5th game.

These guys still need more time together, but you can see it's improving. For 5 games, I like what I'm seeing. McHale still needs to keep balancing the roles of Harden and Lin which should help considerably. Sorting out picks and more elaborate screens and sets to break Harden and Lin open should also help alot.

Getting a back up PG up to speed should help as well. And if the rest of the team find their shooting rhythm, that should help alot in terms of spacing.

A decent game and it should continue improving. :grin:
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#1694 sidestep, Nov 9, 2012
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I don't know why McHale won't give some of the other bench players at least a 4 min stretch, to at least give some rest to the rest of the rotation.

We also need some backcourt depth and someone with a capable inside game.

SVG seems like a good fit but going with a young coach with potential is also something the Rockets need to consider.

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not a concern for me. I want Harden to take more shots, 20+ per game, even he makes only 5 of them. It is the necessary process of development.

What concerns me is that Morey will still be the GM of this club for a few more years. (( Yucky, more picks waiting.
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u nuts?

shooting 25 % the last few games , and u want him to have 20+

seriously , basketball is not for u

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rockmanslim said: ↑

Dragic carried that team to victory, back from a 26 point deficit.
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Believe me, I'm not a troll

But why it seems everybody looking to blame Lin, while 50% on court and 3pt line, got 5rb, 3ast, 2 stl... look decent to me, only Asik and Parsons can top that stat.
And granted he also got 4 TO but everyone on team has it's share as well (need me to list out the TO stat in here !!!)

I mean why is no one blame Harden for this slump (4/18 - 1/6 if Lin got this kind of stat, ppl will certainly crucify him, literally !!!)
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I agree. Lin has a target on his back from players and fans (Houston or otherwise).

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He's throwing up terrible shots and when he should pass he doesn't. He keep dribbling and dribbling and run down the clock several time and then lose the ball.

Defenses are much tougher and so it is harder for him and Lin to drive to the lane.
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That is so right. Jeremy looks lost in this offense. Remember, D'antoni gave Jeremy the freedom to do whatever he wants (he called Dantoni "offensive genius") and he flourished. In this offensive set, he looks quite unsure of what he needs to do - whether to take the shot or pass. Leads to clueless plays and make Jeremy look bad.

Some of you may think Jeremy sucks and really, I do not blame you after seeing how he played the first 3 quarters. However, I have seen flashes of brilliance from him (court vision, passing) and 4th quarter clutch plays.

Jeremy may not be a standalone great player like lebron, but I think in the right system he can be a superstar. Unfortunately, McHale is not the man for the job.

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Also, remember how good this team was in preseason on the break? Lin was making football passes, lots of fast break points, high offensive rating.

After McHale implemented this new offense everything is half court, iso, no up and down or fast breaks. Harden almost always gets the outlet and slowly brings it up court to run that same offensive set so no real chance for full court football passes by Jeremy, one of the things he actually excels in.
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Agree, we're no longer running and gunning when Harden gets the ball.

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