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Will GOP Change?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pirc1, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. Deckard

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    He went to the Methodist Church in Tarrytown, a very upscale neighborhood here in Austin, back when he was governor, glynch. That's sort of Christian, but about as mild a group of Christians out there. A fundamentalist would empty the church. I know, because a close friend of mine lived in Tarrytown at the time, and went to the same church. Told me all about it.
     
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  2. justtxyank

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    Like I said, the ideas may have been stupid or they may not have worked or you may not have believed him about what he said, but you can't say that he didn't say it.
     
  3. ling ling

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    But whose jobs would they be taking? The Asian guys job? The Jewish, Indian, white guys job, women's job?
     
  4. A_3PO

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    This is something I'm disappointed hasn't been brought up yet by pundits. Basically, within a state, the presence of large numbers of blacks push white males to vote overwhelmingly Republican.

    Maybe this is too explosive a subject for CNN or a major network.
     
  5. Nook

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    I agree with most of what you have said. However I do not know that Walker, Martinez or Ryan are transformational figures. Rubio has a real good chance to win because he will split the hispanic vote and carry Florida and possibly Nevada and New Mexico.
     
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    Rand Paul is not going to get the youth vote....
     
  7. A_3PO

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    You seriously think Rubio would solve GOP Latino problems? Oh brother.
     
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    This makes the incorrect assumption that Latinos simply vote for other latinos for the hell of it. If Rubio promotes policies that are appealing to the Latino community, then yes, it makes a difference. But if he's just like any other GOPer and toes the company line, it won't make a difference - just like black voters don't just automatically vote for black GOP candidates.
     
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    Not saying he is going to get a majority, but he could swing it. He supported the dream act, is in a battle ground state, and ohhh yea.... He is Latino.

    I would choose Ted Cruz over him, but geographically Rubio is a better choice.


    Ron Paul was very popular among college students, being his son wouldn't hurt. While in college I never saw Romney shirts/ signs.
     
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    ^^ And before I'm attacked I know his proposal is for a more narrow version of the dream act, but it would have a better shot in passing in congress.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    This is exactly the kind of lazy-ass thing the GOP can't do. Let's camouflage our extremis with optics, and take a hardcore tea partier Cubano like Rubio or Cruz, pretend like he cures the hispanic problems, and head to PF Chang's for the offseason.

    That's like thinking throwing Sarah Palin on the ticket was going to provoke mass estrogen love for McCain.

    It's the message, not the messenger, and it's not just being a hardass xenophobe on immigration that hispanics don't like.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Exactly - it's why the "whites hate/distrust Obama" line sort of irks me. Regionally this is true in Republican strongholds, but nationally it's not. And those regions are in the South or the Mormon belt.

    Mind you I'm not saying it's outright racism more so than a type of groupthink that is sort of intertwined with race-related issues
     
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    I think you are largely right, but I do think some of it is the messenger.

    Republicans have a history of being the anti-minority party and are perceived as anti-women. They have been seen as an almost exclusively white male party. Even if the message became favorable but it was coming from an all-white party it wouldn't just change everything. Being able to show a diverse face will help somewhat.

    They really need both. They need more hispanic, black and female candidates AND they need to moderate on issues that will be attractive to those groups.
     
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    That's dandy and all, but Hispanics are not all looking for the same message.
     
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    The arrogance is to think that a 19 YO kid understands the realities of life as well as a 40 YO man. Yours is the arrogance.

    Why do these folks just turn out for presidential elections, Obe Won?
     
  17. SamFisher

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    Well, from last night we can tell that 70% of them pretty much agree that the one that Rubio and Cruz are championing sucks ass.
     
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    I recall it was reported by the Atlantic or the New Republic a couple months ago that Obama didn't have a "white male problem" but rather a "southern white male problem." This was before the debates, not sure if the numbers changed much.
     
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    The final 2012 election results are trickling in this morning and here they are. Barack Obama won 303 electoral votes to Romney’s 206, securing a second term in as President of the United States.. The popular votes are still coming in, but Obama has a slight lead with 59,621,436 to Romney’s 56,989,709.
     
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    But what was the breakdown on Cruz's vote? There are many conservative Latinos in Texas. And I imagine there are many all over the country. The Republican party now knows they can't ignore this vote anymore, and I imagine they will try harder over the next 4 years to work towards getting their votes.
     

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