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[LEGAL STUFF] Legality of speaking English only in a public school

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by SwoLy-D, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. David Stern

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    Teacher's lounge. Principal walks in on two teachers talking in spanish....
     
  2. Yonkers

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    Look up the definition of private, bro. If the conversation is not meant for you to be included, why do you care what language it is in? Stop being nosy.
     
  3. alexcapone

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    Thank you for giving me some knowledge brah. Anyway, as another poster mentioned they could be talking **** about you or maybe not. Why not put it out in the open or have the conversation elsewhere?
     
  4. David Stern

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    Right...This guy is all up in other people's business.
     
  5. David Stern

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    brah you sound very paranoid. You really think some stranger gives two cents about you?
     
  6. alexcapone

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    Maybe its a stranger, maybe its not.
     
  7. David Stern

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    Would you rather they look you in the eye and then whisper into each other's ears?
     
  8. alexcapone

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    So you're saying that's the alternative way of talking ****...rather than doing it in a different language? So one is rude and the other isn't? Maybe they're talking ****, maybe they aren't..everyone's perception is different. Why not avoid the problem altogether by speaking a common language, if possible.
     
  9. Yonkers

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    Why not avoid the problem by not assuming people are talking smack about you when they speak another language? Or even better... how about not caring if they do? Wow, what a concept.
     
  10. RedRedemption

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    United States does not have an official language or religion.
     
  11. SwoLy-D

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    Exactly. I think the principal at this school is either paranoid 'cuz the principal is doing a good job and knows it, for which the employees have a need to talk stuff amongst themselves to not include the principal, so they speak in Spanish, but... it's not necessarily talking about her, just personal things they wouldn't want everyone to hear (a party going down this weekend, something personal, etc.), whether in Spanish or English. It's only the Spanish-speaking peeps that can't speak in their own language to each other, is the entire point. :cool:

    I've learned one thing though: alexcapone doesn't know what "private" is or he's paranoid. :p
     
  12. alexcapone

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    I know of specific establishments that constantly talk **** about their patrons in a different language. I know this because there are native speakers that also frequent them and tell me this. Is it rude? Yes. Will people assume the next time they come into the establishment? Probably. People's perceptions are based on their experiences and everyone's experience is different. I just try to be conscious of that even though I understand and can speak a second language myself.
     
  13. SwoLy-D

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    ^ :grin:

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    DUDE. I already said they're talking in private, but they can't even do that because they have been told not to. It's not "to talk about the patrons." Heck most patrons speak Spanish, even! They would enjoy that, instead of English! :p
     
  14. David Stern

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    It’s probably the cafeteria ladies.
     
  15. Daedalus

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    *Entire conversations on the presence of those that do not understand = just plain rude. "Good manners are just a way of showing other people we have respect for them."

    but sometimes English is not the 1st thing that pops into mind, especially during exclamations... like "Ante vre gamisou!" which is obligatorily followed by more phrases (usually insults or cutting remarks).
     
  16. Rashmon

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    English Language Learner students

    The Section is charged with enforcing the Equal Educational Opportunities Act of 1974 (EEOA). Section 1703(f) of the EEOA requires state educational agencies (SEAs) and school districts to take action to overcome language barriers that impede English Language Learner (ELL) students from participating equally in school districts’ educational programs. As part of its efforts to enforce the EEOA, the Section investigates complaints that SEAs or school districts are not providing adequate services to ELL students.

    Although section 1703(f) of the EEOA does not require schools to adopt a particular type of language acquisition program such as an English as a Second Language (ESL) program, courts generally consider three factors to assess compliance:

    1. whether the school’s program is based upon sound educational theory or principles;
    2. whether the school’s program is reasonably calculated to implement the educational theory effectively; and
    3. whether, after a period of time sufficient to give the program a legitimate trial, the results of the program show that language barriers are actually being overcome.

    Examples of conditions that may violate the EEOA include when a school district or SEA does the following:

    1. fails to provide a language acquisition program to its ELL students or fails to provide adequate language services to its ELL students;
    2. fails to provide resources to implement its language acquisition program effectively (e.g., an ESL program lacks ESL teachers or ESL materials);
    3. fails to take steps to identify students who are not proficient in English;
    4. does not exit ELL students from a language acquisition program when the ELL students have acquired English proficiency, or exits ELL students without written parental or guardian permission before the students acquire English proficiency;
    5. fails to communicate meaningfully with non-English-speaking or limited-English-speaking parents and guardians of ELL students by not providing such parents and guardians with written or oral translations of important notices or documents;
    6. fails to provide language acquisition assistance to ELL students because they receive special education services, or fails to provide special education services to ELL students when they qualify for special education services;and
    7. excludes ELL students from gifted and talented programs based on their limited English proficiency.

    For examples, view the cases list
     
  17. Rashmon

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    I would say this school is on shaky ground...

    more...

    Castaneda v. Pickard, 648 F.2d 989 (5th Cir. 1981)

    More recently, in Castaneda v. Pickard, 648 F.2d 989 (5th Cir. 1981) (Castaneda), the appeals court delineated a three-pronged standard for determining whether LEP students have equal and meaningful access to a district's program. Under this compliance standard, a program for LEP students is acceptable if:

    1. The district is pursuing a program informed by an educational theory recognized as sound by some experts in the field, or, at least, deemed a legitimate experimental strategy;

    2. The programs and practices actually used by the district are reasonably calculated to implement effectively the educational theory adopted by the district; and

    3. The district has taken action if the program, after a legitimate trial, fails to produce results indicating that the language barriers confronting students are actually being overcome.

    http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/cor/Pubs/manuals/tab24.php

    Edit: this is court case referenced in prior post.
     
  18. SwoLy-D

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    Ummm... I was never asking about students... only employees. :eek: I hope y'all know that.
     
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  20. SwoLy-D

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    I'm on ignore but you answered? How does that work? Did you even read the opening post? It was about employees and you spent time researching about students. :eek:
     

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