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Mitt Romney, white vote

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. fchowd0311

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    WHy doesn't she just work harder... You want the government to somehow magically increase your take home pay and want them out of your business... bunch of dumbasses.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Savannah is an idiot. If she wants the govt. out of her business, Romney is the wrong candidate for her. He'll be in her business on reproduction, abortion, gay marriage, etc.

    She's probably an idiot as well, since Romney will more than likely raise her taxes to give the tax breaks to the Wealthy.

    Savannah is getting screwed because of her ignorance. Oh well.
     
  3. Rockets Pride

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    Blake/MM, just curious. Do you have a college education? Again, just curious.
     
  4. Deckard

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    Why don't you vote? With all due respect, you are full of opinions, yet don't vote? Again, why not?
     
  5. SunsRocketsfan

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    Barrack Obama, black vote
     
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  6. Classic

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    Stupid article.
     
  7. Aceshigh7

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    Any whites voting for Obama are simply complete idiots.

    Anyone voting for Obama period is very uninformed, but at least if you're minority it can be chalked up to racial bias in some respect. If you're white and voting for Obama you don't even have the racial rationale. You're just flat out uninformed and idiotic.
     
  8. mc mark

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    Have another beer dude
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Really? Some very bigoted stuff has been targeted at Romney for being a Mormon and for being rich but I can't recall any racism directed at Romney for being white. If you have seen some I would like to see the evidence for that.
    Of course and not saying that Obama are noble but the Republican party and the Romney campaign have played fast and loose with racist rhetoric and you really don't need to look much further than Clutchfans D & D to see some of that. While Democrats and other liberals have also engaged in insulting and demeaning rhetoric, again you don't need to go much beyond D & D to see it, the particular brand of vitriol directed at Obama is troubling in 2012.

    You are kind of losing me here. I agree that US elections are far less substantive than I or many would like but I am not really sure what this has to do with the point of the article. The point of the article is that the Romney campaign and Republican party are engaging in a deliberate strategy of appealing to white voters and is a way that is inflammatory and divisive. As I state at the beginning there are many reasons to criticize Obama substantively (he hasn't done much on civil liberties and has pretty much continued many of the excesses of the last Admin., he hasn't dealt with Congress well even when the Democrats dominated) yet you see the same rhetoric of Obama as Kenyan, as an Indonesian, as a Muslim, as a Socialist essentially as something not American but an outsider continually being recycled.
    Well if you just look on D&D we have a lot of threads talking about other issues so its not like we aren't discussing those. Maybe it is because you're not an American but this is a very important issue to the US. As much progress as we have made as a country there is no doubt that racism still exist and is something that we continue to wrestle with as a country. One of the things that the Obama presidency has shown is that while it was seemingly a triumph of post racial America it has also laid bare just how far we still have to go. As the article notes this is particularly relevant when as a country we will soon be a place where there is no majority race.
     
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    Bigotry has a lot to do with it ofcourse - in the same way that the birth certificate thing had racial undertones, jabs at Romney's personal wealth and religion contain racial undertones. I should have said bigotry, I don't really find any difference - is racism worse than bigotry? Not at all, it's probably worse since it captures so many things. Whether you differentiate a person by class, race, religion is all the same to me. These are things that are no one's business, irrelevant to the Presidency of a secular democracy and just used as dirty tactics.

    But if you want to see racism against Romney, there's a bunch of stuff. Calling Stacey Dash a house negro, claiming that white Repub voters only want Obama out because he is not white, attorney general saying white critics are motivated by race, etc. Do a google search of racist obama supporters, you'll find plenty of stuff, including videos, tweets, etc.

    Again, Obama takes more heat based on his half-race, Romney takes more heat for his class. They both take heat for their religious beliefs. Certainly, Obama takes a lot more overall irrelevant criticism, but he is the incumbent, he is the first non-white president, and he renegged on his hope/change promises. The criticism is unusually high, but seems proportional to the unusually unique situation that Americans find themselves in.

    Or did anyone believe that the first non-white president would pass through with just about as much racist heat as every other president? If Hillary had won, there would be plenty of focus on her gender too, and she would have focused on Romney/McCain's particular personal weaknesses. These are all just games, all of them equally vile.

    I agree, they do use racist rhetoric more fastly and loosely, but so what? What if that gets them the win? Who's going to disqualify him? If the mainstream media are any indication, the closeness of the race is an indication that roughly 25% of Americans are fine with it and just want to win.

    As for Clutchfans D&D, yes we see it a lot, but really it is a small sample, and this is a Texas sports team message board. My initial inclination is that small sample + big oil city + sports fans = we actually have a shockingly low number of such people. But realistically, I'm not the best judge of this and would defer to your view.

    The US elections are far less substantive than most Americans would like, and there is a plethora of evidence to show the distance between what both candidates agree to discuss, and what supporters of all parties want to discuss.

    I'm not saying they are NOT engaging in dirty tactics. I'm saying they are doing that because of the way the game is structured. I'm saying they are not the only ones doing it - they are just doing it more. But if you want to blame someone, blame the combination of both parties, the candidates and the Federal Election Commission and anyone else who plays a part in setting the rules.

    If this behavior is achieving success, why fault them? Yes there is plenty to be critical of when it comes to Obama, but because the two Presidents are so similar, any such criticism would look bad for them too. The two candidates will focus on issues where it doesn't make their party look bad too, and few things fit that criteria. That's why Obama is a Muslim Socialist, and Romney is Mr Mormon Monopoly.

    The racism doesn't really matter. It's not illegal so really the only thing "Regulating" it is people's acceptance of it. Move to substantive issues and that way you can be happy no matter who wins, right?

    Hmm, you seem to indicate that racism will dissapear? I think perhaps we disagree on one thing: I think the elections increase racism, whereas you seem to think these elections are merely unearthing racism.

    Give me a few hundred million dollars, media support, and throw me into an election race in the least racist country on earth - I will create racism for you instantly and in the least racist country, it would be an excellent way to beat out the incumbent - things are wrong and this is the first time we have this "type" of president be it rich or black or white or mormon or muslim or christian. Associate the unique quality with the worst current problems and you have yourself a marketing campaign.

    It's an important issue everywhere, moreso in countries outside America because America is far more multi-racial in population and progressive in protecting against negative racism than most countries.
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    So apparently Savannah is a lesbian, who is trying to reproduce to have an abortion :confused:
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    She might be wanting to not reproduce. That will be interfered with as well. Whether she's a lesbian or not, is unknown. That's part of keeping govt. out of her business. Mitt Romney's party does care whether she's a lesbian or not so they'd be in her business.

    All of what you said may be true, but who knows?
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    Criticizing someone for their wealth isn't racism nor is criticizing one's religion. It is bigotry and I agree troubling in its own way but there is a key distinction that race is both innate and imposed on someone. Wealth and religion to a certain extent are matters of personal choice and action.

    Well Stacey Dash is black and also isn't the same person as Mitt Romney in that case that isn't racism directed at Romney for being white. If you reread the original article you will see evidence that the Romney campaign and Republican party are knowingly and deliberately targeting white voters so while yes that is racist it is one that they admit to doing.

    Interestingly that seems to be brought up more by Republicans than it does supporters.
    Except Obama takes heat for religious beliefs that he actually doesn't espouse, that he is a Muslim, or for beliefs that he has spoken against , Rev. Wright's anti-American screeds. The pattern again is one that he is somehow not really American. While Romney does take heat for Mormonism as being out of touch with America's Christian majority he isn't characterized as something not American.

    Sure Hillary Clinton would've taken heat for her gender and there has been already a lot of vile rhetoric targeted at her for that. That doesn't though diminish the seriousness of this issue.
    I find this a very surprising attitude given your vociferous defense of Islam. You know for a fact that in many countries anti-Islam and racist rhetoric targeted at immigrants from Muslim countries has been used for political gains and you have spoken out very strongly against that. Yet when it comes to racism targeted at an African-American President (with an Arabic Middle name as many like to continually remind us) in the US it illicits a shrug from you. Really you don't see this as an unsettling situation?
    Once again you might not be so well versed in US political rhetoric but Clutchfans isn't unusual but far more typical of much of the US. Again read the article and you will see how closely it corresponds with a lot of what is posted here on D&D.

    Once again I am surprised to find such an attitude from you. I mean in a discussion about the Dutch National Alliance and their anti-Islamic rhetoric do you just dismiss it as just being how the game is structured?
    They do both and that is disturbing for America in 2012.
    Once again you seem very sanguine about this when in other discussions involving anti-Muslim rhetoric you take a much different tone.
     
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    apparently you don't know what Inflation is. And with the current economic situations around the world, not very many industries are willing to increase pay for hard working people. It's actually the opposite, they are finding cheaper, less quality skilled workers to perform task at the lowest cost possible.

    Inflation is going to be the death of this nation... Orange Juice @ $6.... yeah, we are in for it big time.
     
  15. MojoMan

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    This.

    Someone needs to start a corresponding thread titled "Barack Obama, black vote," with the obvious content to follow.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    And what content would that be? Obama hasn't done any campaigning that uses Mitt's race to make people think he is something different than what he is.
     
  17. basso

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    remember, there will be an awful lot of white people in Utah voting for Mia Love $ Mitt Romney today.
     
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  18. Roxnostalgia

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    I'm hearing reports that President Obama is, in fact, guilty of being a black voter.
     
  19. rimrocker

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    I thought Love was in Utah.
     
  20. basso

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    yes, my bad.
     

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