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Limiting voting hours in Florida is backfiring on Republicans

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    Yeah, an urban polling stations which serves 10's of thousands of people compared to a country one that serves 10 should be treated exactly the same.

    Why can't those 50,000 people all vote before 8pm just like the 10 in the country?

    Stupid Dims.
     
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  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    While having two black guys intimidating voters at a single polling station is certainly a problem it's nothing like elected officials changing voting rules to make it more difficult for many tens or even hundreds of thousands of people to vote. How stupid is it to even remotely compare the two? Holy cow...

    I guess you can do all things through Christ except exercise a little logic.
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    Two flaws in your argument. 1) Instead of asking for exceptions (which is wrong), perhaps they should open more locations. 2) If you're in line before closing time, you generally are still allowed to vote.

    Judging by your gross exaggeration of a 50,000 to 10 analogy, I think its less about busy polling stations and more reasons to whine about voter suppression.
     
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  4. glynch

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    lol almost spit out my drink
     
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  5. glynch

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  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Who decides the number of polling stations - that's right, a Republican governor / sec of state. That's why more aren't open.

    Who decides whether an employee can get off of work early to get to vote? That's right, a republican "job creator" usually.

    And honestly, my analogy probably isn't all that exaggerated. New York is a state that has places where 10 people vote at one polling station, and over 50,000 at another.
     
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    Who decides the number of polling stations - that's right, a Republican governor / sec of state. That's why more aren't open.

    Who decides whether an employee can get off of work early to get to vote? That's right, a republican "job creator" usually.

    And honestly, my analogy probably isn't all that exaggerated. New York is a state that has places where 10 people vote at one polling station, and over 50,000 at another.

    Fact is there are places...believe it or not - where not many people live. And get this, there are places - crazy I know - where millions of people live close together. They are called cities.
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    So again, instead of complaining about the number of polling stations, you wanted extended hours. Extended hours will not fix the problem.

    Republicans do not control every state. This is a red herring that is not limited to florida.

    So let me get this straight. You are complaining about voter suppression in Fl but you are using examples in New York. Further, you are accusing republicans of voter suppression through limiting polling stations when it appears Democrats in New York are doing the same thing.

    But Democrats wouldn't do that, right?
     
    #88 Space Ghost, Nov 6, 2012
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Just the ones where there's voter suppression, and Republicans have admitted it.
     
    #89 FranchiseBlade, Nov 6, 2012
  10. bobmarley

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    I guess you have to have some kind of excuse when your candidate loses so you can save face. :p
     
    #90 bobmarley, Nov 6, 2012
  11. glynch

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    The beuatiful thing is the tens or hundreds of thousands who waited in long lines to thwart the GOP voter suppression plans will remember and probably keep voting in the future regularly as they remember the GOP plot.:)
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    .How the GOP’s War on Voting Backfired
    Ari Berman on November 8, 2012 - 1:24 PM ET    Since the 2010 election, Republicans passed new voting restrictions in more than a dozen states aimed at reducing the turnout of Barack Obama’s “coalition of the ascendant”—young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics.

    “This is not rocket science,” Bill Clinton said last year. “They are trying to make the 2012 electorate look more like the 2010 electorate than the 2008 electorate.” By pushing voter suppression laws, Republicans wanted the 2012 electorate to be older, whiter and more conservative than the young and diverse 2008 electorate.
    But the GOP’s suppression strategy failed. Ten major restrictive voting laws were blocked in court and turnout among young, black and Hispanic voters increased as a share of the electorate relative to 2008.

    Take a look at Ohio, where Ohio Republicans limited early voting hours as a way to decrease the African-American vote, which made up a majority of early voters in cities like Cleveland and Dayton. Early voting did fall relative to 2008 as a result of Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted’s cutbacks in early voting days and hours, but the overall share of the black electorate increased from 11 percent in 2008 to 15 percent in 2012. More than anything else, that explains why Barack Obama once again carried the state.

    I spent the weekend before the election in black churches in Cleveland, and there’s no doubt in my mind that the GOP’s push to curtail the rights of black voters made them even more motivated to cast a ballot    .

    “When they went after big mama’s voting rights, they made all of us mad,” said Reverend Tony Minor, Ohio coordinator of the African American Ministers Leadership Council. According to CBS News: "More African-Americans voted in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida than in 2008."

    The same thing happened with the Latino vote, which increased as a share of the electorate (from 9 percent in 2008 to 10 percent in 2012) and broke even stronger for Obama than in 2008 (from 67-31 in 2008 to 71-27 in 2012, according to CNN exit polling). The share of the Latino vote increased in swing states like Nevada (up 4 percent), Florida (up 3 percent) and Colorado (up 1 percent). Increased turnout and increased support for Obama among Latinos exceeded the margin of victory for the president in these three swing states.

    We’re still waiting on the data to confirm this theory, but a backlash against voter suppression laws could help explain why minority voter turnout increased in 2012. “That’s an extremely reasonable theory to be operating from,” says Matt Barreto, co-founder of Latino Decisions, a Latino-focused polling and research firm. “There were huge organizing efforts in the black, Hispanic and Asian community, more than there would’ve been, as a direct result of the voter suppression efforts.” Groups like the NAACP, National Council of La Raza, National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, and the Asian-American Legal Defense Fund worked overtime to make sure their constituencies knew their voting rights.

    As Andrew Cohen of The Atlantic wrote:

    If there is one thing this election has proven, if there is one thing I have come to know, it is that Americans don’t like it when their right to vote is threatened. The very people whose votes the Republicans sought to suppress came out to vote. In places like Akron and Orlando and Denver and Milwaukee, they came. They waited in long lines and endured the indignities of poll workers. Yet they were not cowed. Today is their day. A day when they can look at one another and appreciate that they are truly a part of the history of civil rights in this country.
    ...http://www.thenation.com/blog/171146/how-gops-war-voting-backfired
     
    #91 glynch, Nov 9, 2012
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  12. B-Bob

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    Reposted for awesomeness. (note the timestamp of it.)
     
    #92 B-Bob, Nov 9, 2012
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  14. cml750

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    I can imagine how she feels coming from a country that was taken over by a "right wing" dictator.... oh wait... oh the irony.....:rolleyes:
     
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  15. QdoubleA

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    Can you explain the irony please.
     
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  16. Deckard

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    We continue to see the Republican meltdown. Denial of reality. Bitter denial of reality. We see Republican leadership, in many cases, claiming that they lost because they weren't conservative enough, when reality is that they were far too conservative. That it's Romney's fault, although even had he been secretly moderate, and who really knows where he stands on anything, had to take extreme social positions on issues of great importance to large and growing groups of Americans, because the extreme factions in control of his party are neck deep in self delusion. And it continues.

    The best thing for the future of the Democratic Party would be if the GOP doubled down attempting to strip women of their rights, doubled down on suppressing the vote of American minorities, while denying doing so, when a blind man can see the evidence. Doubling down on a host of issues that are anthema to moderate independents, Republicans, and yes, Democrats who are conservative on economic issues, and progressive on social issues. Scaring them with their positions on social issues, pushing them closer to the Democratic Party. And they simply can't see that that's what they are doing.

    I would be delighted for my party if the GOP wasn't dividing this country, and doing so in the worst possible way. Damaging our democracy. Damaging our country. Deliberately promoting the worst in all of us, instead of the best.
     
    #96 Deckard, Nov 10, 2012
  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    yea. Either he mispoke. He's stupid. Or we're stupid.
     
    #97 LosPollosHermanos, Nov 10, 2012
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