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Liberals let Obama get away with unconstitutional actions

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rtsy, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Liberals have to choose between Obama or Romney. Choosing the lesser evil. Its that simple.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    So what do you want them to do? Back Romney? Not vote?
     
  3. rtsy

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  4. mc mark

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    WOW!

    Keepin' it classy I see

    Conservatives police your own.
     
  5. rtsy

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    FRI MAR 02, 2012 AT 01:52 PM PST

    Where is the Anti-War Left?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/02/1070217/-Where-is-the-Anti-War-Left

    Has it ever been more apparent that it is time to get out of Afghanistan? Has it ever been more apparent that we are on the path to yet another and even more dangerous and perhaps regional war? We've been here before. We know the signs and they are all around us.

    I haven't written much about the war in Afghanistan lately or the drum beat for war with Iran, but I look for news about it every day and it is always on my mind. I know that the same is true for many anti-war activists here and others who see what is happening and want to do something about it.

    The reason that I don't spend much time writing about it, and upon consideration this is not a good enough reason, is that, for the most part, there is no audience for diaries about our wars here on DailyKos anymore. In fact, there is no audience for stories about our wars in America. I find this to be very, very troubling. People have an insatiable appetite for minutiae when it comes to the clown show that is the Republican primary. But there is, apparently, no appetite for details about the war in Afghanistan and the multiple covert wars that we are fighting.

    In the early and mid 2000s, we had a strong anti-war voice in the progressive blogosphere. Over time, it fizzled out. Yes, we have withdrawn combat troops from Iraq. But the war in Afghanistan is bigger and worse than ever. The covert wars are more widespread and more dangerous than ever and show no signs of abating. And now we have the ever increasing drum beat for war with Iran -- a proposal that drew a loud cry of opposition when Cheney was pushing for it but that now draws relatively little response here.

    In the early to mid 2000s, progressive bloggers protested and lamented the lack of good and honest journalism on the war in Iraq. Bloggers countered the war propaganda on a regular basis and the number of readers and writers grew and became stronger and stronger. It could no longer be ignored by the politicians and the media. It took time and perseverance, but we made a difference.

    But nowadays, the left in general and the progressive blogs, this one in particular, are failing miserably at this task, a task which I think is one of our most important. There are many good writers dedicating their time and energy to this subject but they are mostly at the smaller, lesser read blogs and web sites. There are also a number of good journalists who have been devoting a lot of time and news space to the subject of Afghanistan and Iran and they are doing a much better job than the netroots.

    It is a grave failure on the part of the netroots. Maybe it is a sign of the end of an era, I don't know. If it is, this is a tragedy, in my opinion. Maybe we are becoming the thing that we once loathed. Maybe a new movement must rise up and take on the task that the Democratic netroots refuses to do when their party is in power. I really am not sure what the reasons are but I do know that nothing good will come from continued silence.

    I am not just talking about the front page writers at DailyKos, though, with the exception of Meteor Blades, the silence on the issue of war there is deafening. I am also talking about the many strong writers in the community who are able to easily put diaries on the rec list for long periods of time, diaries which draw thousands of readers and page views. Very few of us are dedicating our time and energy to the cause of the anti-war left. Too much time is spent on low hanging fruit, IMHO, or on breathless but often shallow subjects that have a high probability of rising to the top.

    Many front page writers and diarists are hard at work on the areas in which they have become subject matter experts and "go to" people for those issues. I am not begrudging them and in fact I salute them every day. But would it hurt for them to use their valuable voices and notoriety to help with the cause of the anti-war left every so often? After all, I can hardly think of another issue more dire and that has more impact on every one of us.

    Perhaps even more importantly, the broader community of people who read, recommend and comment need to give more attention and support to the issue of war. Front page writers and diarists can get the ball rolling but if their posts are largely ignored, we don't get anywhere. So in the end, I believe it is all of our responsibility, all of us who care about ending the wars and preventing more war, who need to step up to the plate and do what is right. Many hands make light work. I believe we all need to do our part. I know that there are thousands of us here who care deeply about this.
    When Cheney was calling for an attack on Iran, we thought it was insanity. But what about now? It seems more possible and more close than ever and where is the opposition from the anti-war left? Where are the hundreds of thousands of people in the streets in anti-war protests? Are we going to allow ourselves to be led into a possible WWIII with hardly a whimper simply because the guys ready to take us there are from our side? Perhaps most importantly, where are the grassroots organizations that we have helped to build, that we have supported? Where are they?

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    Well I know the reason:

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  6. Oski2005

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    Maybe this has been asked already , but who are you voting for rtsy? WHO SHOULD WE VOTE FOR?
     
  7. kpsta

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    I believe shartsy has already claimed that he voted for Gary Johnson... though he might be lying.
     
  8. Rashmon

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    I love the unintended irony of rtsy using liberal media like Salon and Dailykos as his evidence that liberals ignore when Obama is not liberal enough.
     
  9. thadeus

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    I suspect that "rtsy" is really just the last four letters of "fartsy."
     
  10. QdoubleA

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    What are you going to do to stop Obama from committing his vicious war crimes besides crying on the internet?
     
  11. rtsy

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    Vote accordingly and raise awareness.

    What are you going to do?
     
  12. glynch

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    libertarians don't care if people die from starvation or lack of health care if they can't demand in the THE MARKET. Giving them food or health care, if it violates THE MARKET, virtually their only value is disturbing to them and their thoroughly immoral Market God..

    The vast majority of "libertarians" like Rand and Ron Paul and Ayn Rand fanPaul Ryan almost always vote GOP which has even less concern about human rights or personal freedoms than moderate ,much less slightly liberal Dems, like Obama.
     
  13. rtsy

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    More fear-tactic hypotheticals versus the REALITY of Obama the NDAA, Patriot Act, War on Drugs, drone bombs, indefinite dentition, US citizens
    assassinated, undeclared war, warrant-less wiretapping of phones and social media etc. etc. etc.

    Your ideology is a proven failure.
     
  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    rtsy in full meltdown mode today.
     
  15. QdoubleA

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    Cancel out your vote and mock you of course.
     
  16. rtsy

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    So your answer is "nothing" / support Obama's war crimes. What a surprise.
     
  17. QdoubleA

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    I will personally help him fly drones into the uterus's of pregnant women. These "abortion bots" as I call them will help eliminate those that Dear Leader feels are not fit for our grand socialist nation. We will get around your so called constitution by labeling these infants as terrorist based on the havoc and dismay they are surely soon to unleash upon their mothers vagina. Death to Vag-terrorists! I have some pamphlets if you'd like to learn more.
     
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  18. rtsy

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    You wont do crap. You're a pathetic cultist, nothing more.
     
  19. QdoubleA

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    Whoa whoa whoa with the personal insults...I'm not pathetic. If anything I'm an enthusiastic and motivated cultist. I'm flying remote controlled robots into internal organs for goodness sake, what more do you expect me to do:confused:???
     
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  20. rtsy

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    I don't expect you to do anything.
     

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